<VV> <CORSA Chapters> Membership question -- 100% vs Not

[gswiatowy at rochester.rr.com]

Thank you for that info.
It does confirm one thing that I suspected.
7 grand a year for insurance, maybe a little more. Divided by 4500 people
mean that $1.56 or so of my dues goes towards insurance each year.
So the guy who is a "freeloader" just ripped CORSA off for under 2
bucks...........
Because he is covered by insurance I helped pay for.
Sorry, if freeloading insurance is the "Big Issue", then I needed numbers.
And yes, I know it's in the Communique and I could dig out old issues and
look it all up, and I would find tally sheets, and all these items in the
budgfet I don't understand.
I asked for a simple explanation, and some just reply "look it up". I'm on
my lunch break now and my Communique's are at home. I'm assuming all the
others posting here have reviewed the numbers?
Yes, I know Harry and Mike, are the biggest cost.
And I don't see any "volunteers" who could do a better job.

But don't hide behind the freeloaders getting free insurance.
There are "other" benefits for sure, but the insurance seems to be the big
excuse.

I can't help it, I over analyze things, and yes, I am a bean counter. 

Gary Swiatowy


Original Message:
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From: J R Read_HML hmlinc at sbcglobal.net
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:52:53 -0600
To: gswiatowy at rochester.rr.com
Subject: Re: <CORSA Chapters> Membership question -- 100% vs Not


The insurance is around 7grand per year - maybe a little over that.
Later, JR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Swiatowy" <gswiatowy at rochester.rr.com>
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Cc: "Chapters CORSA" <chapters at corvair.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: <CORSA Chapters> Membership question -- 100% vs Not


> While all this hand wringing and arguements are going on.
> Why has no-one asked the big question?
> Where is the money going?
> Why are we going broke?
>
> Yes, there are basic financial statements buried in the communique.
> But has anyone, in layman's terms explained where the money goes?
>
> Yes, the communique is an expense, but recent dues increase should cover
> that.
> Has the clubs insurance gone up through the roof?
> That is the big issue regarding chapters. Well how much does this 
> insurance
> cost per year?
>
> I assume, the big expense is the Convention.
> I have reason to beleive that these may be operating at a loss basis.
> Can anyone confirm that? Do they make a profit or not?
>
> Instead of telling us simply CORSA is broke, we need to fix it.
>
> Give us the reasons!
>
> Then we can make the decision.
>
> Gary Swiatowy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Marlow" <Vairtec at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: <CORSA Chapters> Membership question -- 100% vs Not
>
>
>> At 04:02 PM 12/16/2009, Bruce Schug wrote:
>>
>>>I'm amazed at those who think mandatory CORSA membership would
>>>destroy their chapter. I can't fathom that. What's wrong with this
>>>picture? Why wouldn't their members support CORSA?
>>
>>
>> First, I don't think such a require would "destroy" my local chapter
>> -- but it sure would hurt it!  Why?  Simply because we would lose
>> members.  Roughly a third of our local membership does not belong to
>> CORSA; if it became a requirement a good number of them would choose
>> instead to drop out of the chapter. End result, CORSA has more
>> members, chapter has fewer.
>>
>> The reason for this is rooted in the famous observation that "all
>> politics is local."  There are those people whose interest in the
>> hobby is fulfilled via the local club, and have no interest in a
>> national or international club.  We can do all the salesmanship we
>> want, but we simply will not get all those people.
>>
>> So, again, a requirement for chapters to have100% membership in CORSA
>> will enhance CORSA's membership numbers at the expense of the
>> chapters' membership numbers.
>>
>> Which is why I set off the bomb on VV about reciprocity.
>>
>> In truth, the solution I prefer is
>>
>> "Chapters" -- local clubs that maintain 100% CORSA membership
>>
>> "Affilliates" -- local clubs that do not maintain 100% CORSA
>> membership, but which pay a fee for insurance coverage et al
>>
>> "Local Corvair clubs" -- unrelated to CORSA.
>>
>> --Bob
>>
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