<VV> It's time

[airvair at earthlink.net]

Smitty, Smitty, Smitty,

How many times must I explain it to you. According to INDUSTRY STANDARDS a
"sedan" has to have a full-length, rocker to roof "B" pillar. It simply
isn't a true "sedan" if it doesn't have one, like the LM Corvair for one.
That definition has ALWAYS been the standard with which automotive industry
engineers have used. And all your blathering won't change that fact.

Those cars (like the LM Corvair) that don't have a full-length "B" pillar
don't qualify as true sedans, and therefore have been given the name of
"hardtop" by those same industry standards.

The fly in the ointment is that the marketing department has never been
bound by industry standard terminology. They are, after all, in it for the
image of it. And it is they (I feel) who have corrupted the correct
terminology for the sake of marketing.

Given that, therefore, let it be known that ALL early model Corvairs
(except convertibles, of course) are technically sedans, and that ALL late
model Corvairs (again, except convertibles) are NOT. They are HARDTOPs.
Period, end of story.

I will never conceed, as the truth never is not true, no matter how you try
to deny it. So it's your turn to conceed your erroneous ways.

-Mark


> [Original Message]
> From: Smitty Smith <vairologist at verizon.net>
> Subject: <VV> It's time
>
> Smitty Says;  OK guys it's about time to clear the air on the hardtop
sedan subject.  I know I am guilty of good natured harassment of Mark and
others on his bandwagon, but I am going to stop now and make a statement of
my true position.  I don't have any desire to keep messing with anybody
till they get mad.
> The term hardtop is an add on to whatever you want to call the car.  You
can call it a Packard Hardtop if you want but that doesn't change the fact
that it is a sedan.  Follow this if you can on a typical four door Corvair.
First of all if it is a standard automobile (not a wagon or a greenbrier)
it is a Corvair.  It may be an Early or it may be a Late, but it is still a
Corvair.  Now if it is a Monza, that doesn't say it is not a Corvair.  It
simply says it is just a specific kind of Corvair.  Now let's identify it a
little farther.  It is a Corvair Monza 4 door. (Could be a 2 door), and
both are sedans according to Webster.  I know Mark disagrees with this but
stick with me for a minute.  I have not said it is not a 4 door or a 2 door
or a Monza or a Corvair.  All those names are still valid.  Now we move up
to the Late models where they pulled the "B" post out of the body.  The
engineers gave the new body style the name "Hardtop".  By doing so they
>  didn't deny any of the other names that apply to that particular car. 
They didn't say it isn't a Monza or a 4 door or a sedan.  They just added
another descriptive name to it.  So now it is a Corvair Monza 4 door
hardtop sedan.  Let's add the color white to the description.  White
Corvair Monza 4 door hardtop sedan.  Does that deny the fact that it is a
hardtop, or a 4 door or a Monza?  If your name is Richard and I call ytou
Dick against your will, then eventually we could get around to some ass
whipping over that.  But to continue to argue and make a big deal over a
finite description of an automobile just because several names apply
equally to it is asnine.  I will quit if you will    
>