Roughly, I think if you ask if it needs then it's time to move it over there. If nothing else, then political discussion is open there. --Bryan On Nov 10, 2008, at 1:32 PM, RoboMan91324 at aol.com wrote: > I am not sure this discussion is appropriate for VV but I guess > auto quality > issues and history sort of fits here. Should we take this to VV- > talk?