<VV> VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 46, Issue 21

[Ron]

It's woth noting that the very successful Japanese quality control system 
that beat Detroit so badly was devised in the U.S. by an American and firmly 
rejected by all of the U.S. auto companies before the Japanese embraced it.
RonH

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Subject: Re: <VV> VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 46, Issue 21


>
> Bruce,
>
> Excellent point.  Back when our Corvairs were being made,  the quality of
> American made cars was not good.  The cars out of Japan were  better 
> quality in
> the 60s but suffered from the poor quality reputation of the  Japanese 
> products
> made immediately after WW 2.  Back then, the phrase,  "Made in Japan" was
> used to indicate anything of low quality.  Now it means  just the 
> opposite.  The
> Japanese kicked the US manufacturer's butts on  quality and fuel economy 
> back
> then but no more.  The US cars are as good as  any in the world but we 
> suffer
> from the poor quality reputation that we deserved  up until maybe 10 years
> ago.  What goes around comes around.
>
> Now, if only the US manufacturers could learn management and  labor 
> relations
> lessons from the Japanese, they might not need a  bailout.  Keep in mind 
> that
> most Japanese vehicles available in the US are  made here by US labor so 
> you
> need to identify the real differences.  Buying  a Japanese vehicle will 
> not
> send jobs overseas immediately (eventually, yes) but  it does send profits
> overseas.  Those profits pay for research and design  as well as 
> investment in
> modern equipment which are sorely needed by US  manufacturers.  Didn't GM 
> recently
> announce a hold on new  development?  Talk about eating your seed grain. 
> If
> US manufacturers  don't have profits and keep up with innovations and
> modernization, they will  eventually fail.  A bailout may be necessary but 
> it will add
> to the stigma  the US manufacturers suffer in comparison to the Japanese.
>
> As far as the Firestone tires are concerned, the "Buy US"  debate doesn't
> matter.  Firestone is a wholly owned subsidiary of  Bridgestone which is a
> Japanese company.
>
> Doc
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> In a message dated 11/8/2008 7:46:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> virtualvairs-request at corvair.org writes:
>
> Message:  8
> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:26:46 -0500
> From: Bruce Schug  <bwschug at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Tires
> To: Virtual  Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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>
> On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:27 PM, Ken Lundy (Home)  wrote:
>
>> I recently bought the Firestone tires mentioned in the  Communique. I?m
> very happy with them.
>
> The good thing about the  Firestones is that they're made of rubber, not 
> rice.
>
> If you don't  understand my comment, what I'm referring to is buying 
> products
> made by  American companies as opposed to companies in other countries. 
> Half
> the  people I know, probably more, drive Toyotas, Hondas, etc. Now look 
> where
> the Big Three are. American companies make tires, cars, and other 
> products
> that, in most cases, are as good as any. If they're not as good,  they're
> usually good enough for me. They say any new car has better  quality than 
> any car
> did ten years ago.
>
> Within the next few weeks we'll  probably see the government loan or give
> billions of $$$ to GM, Ford, and  Chrysler or they will go out of business 
> and
> our economy will probably  collapse. (Remember this is billions -
> $1,000,000,000s) This will be OUR  tax money at work. Everyone that buys 
> Toyotas, etc.,
> should think about  this.
>
> Pardon my somewhat political comments, but Firestone makes  excellent 
> tires.
>>From what I understand, Hankook tires are just fine too.  Ya pays yer 
>>money
> and ya makes yer  choice.
>
> Bruce
>
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