<VV> dreaded flex plate bolts

[cfm]

I see no physical clips here, am I missing some parts? Another VV'er suggested that the "two-tiered" nut is like a keeper and sleeve. If this is the case, could there be a slight difference between early and late or FC flex plate makeups?
I had three pictures attached to that last post, I may have failed to mention that. But I took some pics so help out with my dilemma.
thanks harry, your comments are helping me along....
So the brazing concept doesn't sound valid anymore....
chris mann (110/pg late model)

Harry  Yarnell <hyarnell1 at earthlink.net> wrote: Don't torque to 30-40 ft-#!
First of all, the nuts are held on the torque converter with clips; they 
shouldn't fall off.
I think the torque should be 15-20 ft-#
I've never used a torque wrench on these bolts. Just tightened 'um up.

Harry Yarnell
Perryman garage and orphanage
Perryman, MD
hyarnell1 at earthlink.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cfm" 
To: "Virtual Vairs" 
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:12 AM
Subject:  dreaded flex plate bolts


> hi again, same issue revisited, I apologize in advance for any redundancy.
> I tore into the engine shrouds and removed the front shroud again to gain 
> access to my loose flex plate bolts.
> As some of you might recall, a month or so ago, I made this repair back 
> then too. The only rookie mistake I made then was not to torque properly 
> and lack of thread lock. Also, this car is not currently being driven 
> daily or occasionally.
> I had to come back to this issue, because after changing the oil, I 
> started the car and ran it up to normal operating temperature. I got a 
> little silly with revving it during this period and whammo, the problem 
> resurfaced (rattling). I new right away what happened. So here I am back 
> at it, only this time I want to it as right as possible. However, I am 
> trying to understand why this may have happened again.
> It was suggested recently (through VV) that I replace the bolts because 
> the threads may be "stretched" or the bolts have just lost holding power. 
> But as I study the amount of space I have, its unlikely I will be able to 
> take the old ones out and replace with new. The special nut on the 
> backside also poses a problem as if I remove said bolt, the nut will fall 
> and then where am I. Also when I look closely at the nut, it appears to 
> have a two tiered surface, leaving me to believe that these nuts were 
> brazed to the mounting plate adjacent to the flex plate, is that a correct 
> assumption?
> Last, I can't seem to get my torque wrench in close enough to perform this 
> task correctly. The only thing I can think of during is removing the fan 
> shroud, or two, going by "feel" without torque wrench. In the shop manual, 
> it calls out 30-40 ft. lbs.
> Any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Chris Mann
> 69 monza convertible 110/PG
>


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