<VV> Hybrid Saturn SUV - GM Is Listening - No Corvair

[Mike Jacobi]

Now I wonder if you could jack up a prius and graft it to a Corvair 
body...maybe a rampside or a brier so more room for the battery 
pack......course you'd have to turn it backward so that the engine would be 
in the rear......


Mike in Michigan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony" <tony.underwood at cox.net>
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: <VV> Hybrid Saturn SUV - GM Is Listening - No Corvair


> At 09:45 AM 1/9/2008, you wrote:
>>While I might agree, and lots of people seem to like their Prius, I do
>>question the 95% satisfaction with the car.
>
>
> I do not question many people's satisfaction with the Prius, because
> they were already presatisfied before buying it because it catered to
> their self-proclaimed "green" wisdom, and besides, they PAID for that
> satisfaction and you can bet they're damned sure gonna get it one way
> or another.   The ones who do not will quietly lick their wounds,
> trade the car for something else.
>
>
> I do not like the Prius... not because of what it's supposed to be,
> or its (expensive) technology, or because of any doubts as to the
> quality of its construction which is good...  but because of how it
> came to be here for a price less than the 75,000 bucks it took to
> BUILD one of the little bastards.
>
> I'm also not real pleased with its timely introduction which
> countered efforts by GM and Ford for a marketable affordable hybrid
> or zero-emissions vehicle, and of course seeing as how nobody was
> gonna pay what it cost to build a Prius, Toyota convinced the
> Japanese government to subsidize most of the expense of building it,
> so as to get not only a foot in the door, but take the foot and kick
> GM and Ford in the balls in the process, backed up of course by
> Japanese government money.
>
> Toyota sucks.   As I've said before, the product is fine; it's their
> policies that alarm me.
>
> Then again, GM could sure as Hell learn a thing or two from Toyota,
> which at least DOES know how to deal with unions.   GM used to
> know...  but they forgot.   Their error... now it's costing them out
> the ass, literally.
>
>
>>  Is that was the case, and most owners were, say,  environmentalists, 
>> then
>>they might be highly satisfied with a Yugo if it was  meeting their
>>expectations
>>as an environmentally sensitive vehicle.
>
> The Yugo was a FAR less polluting vehicle than the Prius once you
> consider the resources used to construct it, compared to what it
> takes to build a Prius... and it got fuel mileage that wasn't that
> far removed from what a Prius actually gets... and the Yugo cost a
> tenth of what the Prius sells for.   My Yugo will pull down close to
> 40 mpg on the highway if I keep it below 70, and around town it would
> still averaged close to 30 mpg if I drove it like an old
> woman.       And NO, it's not a slug, will smoke the tires through
> 1st gear and bark them loud in 2nd, runs well.
>
> Again, Yugos never got any respect, just undeserved criticism... and
> the majority of that came from people who never drove one, much less
> owned one.   Mine is in storage, stashed away... has 124,000 miles on
> it now, and it's in excellent shape, engine tight and smooth and runs
> well, uses almost no oil between changes.   I may well break it back
> out and tag/register it again and put it back to work if gas
> continues to go up in price...
>
>
> Now, we have people singing the praises of the Prius...  more power
> to them.   I'm waiting to see how many end up in used car lots for
> discounted prices when the battery wears down.
>
>
>>Is it  the car, or what they
>>perceive the good that they are doing by driving it?   I guess it
>>doesn't matter
>>either way, and I have no problem with the car, but  for me, I too would 
>>be
>>buying the VW diesel!
>
>
> I'd sure as Hell buy the VW diesel before I'd even as much as
> consider a Prius.   Then again...  give me a Prius and I'll sell it
> to a greenie and use the bucks to buy two VW diesels.
>
>
> Or... one VW and use the rest of the bucks into the 'Vairs.
>
>
>
> tony..
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