<VV> More on the eBay bum

[Jim Briggs]

Gary, looks like EBAY , may not be where we want to do much serious looking anymore...
see below.
JIM> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:09:57 -0500> To: alan.wesson at atlas.co.uk> From: jhouston45 at gmail.com> CC: virtualvairs at corvair.org> Subject: Re: <VV> More on the eBay bum> > Well, I've had an eBay account since 2000 but I am closing it because of > things like what happened to Alan, their new rule that you HAVE to use > PayPal (which does nothing more than increase their profit, while > decreasing mine), the fact that there are very few small sellers with > real bargains, and just general dissatisfaction with the changes that > have occurred... eBay used to be a good deal, but no longer..> > Jim Houston> '65 Monza coupe> > Alan and Clare Wesson wrote:> > I was staggered recently when someone bought something from me, paid by > > PayPal, I sent them the item and forgot all about it, and then three weeks > > later I received an email from PayPal saying that because they suspected the > > transaction had been paid for fraudulently they had returned the guy's money > > to his account (so I was $50 down). I emailed and asked them what I should > > do, as I had lost out on the transaction through no fault of my own, and > > they replied (I am not making this up) that I should contact the guy and ask > > if he would return the goods to me.> >> > Now, what kind of planet has someone got to be living on if they think that > > someone who has paid for goods by fraud is likely to roll over and give them > > back to the seller? Predictably, all my efforts to contact the guy have met > > with no response, and as the transaction took place before 1st Oct 2008 I am > > not covered by PayPal's seller insurance. So I can just go hang.> >> > But the worst bit of all is that we had already exchanged feedback (and > > sellers can no longer give negative feedback either), so there is no trace > > of the fraud having happened and I can't warn other vendors about the guy. > > And he is still continuing to trade on eBay and still has a 100% positive > > feedback record (but what's that worth, if he can get away with doing what > > he did to me? He could have done it 50 times for all I know). After a > > protracted exchange of emails with PayPal customer service I have finally > > resigned myself to the fact that I am not going to get my money back, but I > > am unhappy that they won't do anything to penalise the guy - after all, it > > was PayPal who told me that the transaction was fraudulent!!! The reason > > they can't or won't act appears to be that the organisation that uncovered > > the fraud is PayPal, and they are technically separate from eBay.> >> > So he can continue to trade with impunity, and I have been defrauded out of > > $50, and there is nothing I can do about it. O.K., so $50 isn't the end of > > the world, but the amount wasn't the crucial factor - as far as I can tell > > the effect would have been the same with any transaction up to 1000 GBP > > (which used to be $2000 but is now down to $1480, and sliding...).> >> > So I hate to contradict JR, but I don't think the dispute resolution methods > > offered by eBay and PayPal are worth a row of beans. Caveat emptor (and even > > more so, caveat venditor). I have been doing eBay since 1999, and every year > > that passes the deal for sellers becomes worse and the deal for buyers > > improves.> >> > I can understand that this is a) because there are a lot of crooks out > > there; and b) eBay needs to protect its buyers because that's what sets it > > apart from other auction sites (according to The Economist magazine, what > > sets it apart is that most sale sites have lots of vendors and few buyers, > > whereas eBay has both). However, I feel that if eBay continues to worsen the > > deal for the small seller much more, they will destroy the business model > > they started with (because they are also, according to The Economist, moving > > towards an Amazon.com style model, where they want to attract high-volume, > > business, retail sellers, rather than the 'flea market' style of vendor that > > they started with).> >> > Corvair content here is that the item had sold the guy was a set of NOS > > 1960s 'E-Z Eye' 5-inch headlight eyebrows, which fit a Corvair well > > (although I think he had bought them for a Brit car). And as an aside, I > > spent years wondering why someone would call their product 'Ee-Zed Eye', > > until someone pointed out to me that it wasn't pronounced like that in the > > USA...> >> > Cheers> >> > Alan> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J R Read_HML" <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>> > To: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProPer.com>; "'Grant Young'" > > <gyoungwolf at earthlink.net>; <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:51 PM> > Subject: Re: <VV> More on the eBay bum> >> >> > > >> Well, that told me that he's (she) has had the same ID since July, 2001.> >> Looks as if the boys need to work it out between themselves using the> >> appropriate dispute resolution methods provided by eBay and PayPal.> >>> >> Later, JR> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Charles Lee" <Chaz at ProperProPer.com>> >> To: "'Grant Young'" <gyoungwolf at earthlink.net>; <virtualvairs at corvair.org>> >> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 5:23 PM> >> Subject: Re: <VV> More on the eBay bum> >>> >>> >> > >>> What did this guy do ?> >>>> >>> I only see him selling an old Mustang GT, and some Corvair prts that no> >>> one> >>> bought, with a rating of 528.> >>>> >>> http://myworld.ebay.com/teenapa> >>>> >>> Is there something else there that I don't see ?> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -----Original Message-----> >>> From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org> >>> [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Grant Young> >>> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9:51 AM> >>> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org> >>> Subject: <VV> More on the ebay bum> >>>> >>> <<Being as how the world is so small how about you post here his address,> >>> any> >>> other information.>>> >>> The guy (crook) is in Struthers, OH, so beware of anything you buy from> >>> there. 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