<VV> head ID
djtcz at comcast.net
djtcz at comcast.net
Wed Nov 14 20:27:42 EST 2007
110 heads - high compression little valves
http://www.flycorvair.com/27052.jpg
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/phoenix/070223090.jpg
3D 140s
http://rbgault.com/Corvair_36L/Heads/3D_Head_2.jpg
loe comp, small valves = 95 HP
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/95hp/05080690m.jpg
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Dan Timberlake
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> 1. Re: High performance coil problem / Mounting????? (Matt Nall)
> 2. Shrouds done...and now the brake gremlin appears (Stephen Upham)
> 3. Re: High performance coil problem with electronic
> ignition(1962 Monza PG) (Charles Lee)
> 4. Re: High performance coil problem with electronic ignition
> (1962 Monza PG) (Charles Lee)
> 5. Re: High performance coil problem / Mounting????? (Ron)
> 6. Re: cylinder heads for reliability (Frank DuVal)
> 7. which seats are lost (djtcz at comcast.net)
> 8. Re: which seats are lost (Harry Yarnell)
> 9. Re: High performance coil problem / Mounting????? (Frank DuVal)
> 10. Re: which seats are lost (Frank DuVal)
> 11. 95HP heads (Clark Hartzel)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:17:09 -0800
> From: "Matt Nall"
> Subject: Re: High performance coil problem / Mounting?????
> To:
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> You mean in all the years you've been wrenching on Vairs.... you were never
> concerned wit hthe TEMP of the coil in the stock location?
>
> 130 is scalding to the human touch..... most electrical is designed for
> under 120 F Heat kills ..I've been told..
>
> I've never had a coil fail...but then I always, at least, make a Standoff
> between the head and the coils clamp/ bracket..
>
>
> Matt Nall
> All Vairs!
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank DuVal"
>
> > Um, Matt, the other 49 states had the coils mounted on the right head for
> > a few more years than California. I have never owned a Corvair with the
> > coil not mounted on the head until now. My 64 A/C sedan has the coil on
> > the engine lid latch brace.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:26:07 -0600
> From: Stephen Upham
> Subject: Shrouds done...and now the brake gremlin appears
> To: Virtual Vairs
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> Well, I got the shrouds installed by putting them on first and then
> using a clothes hanger strategically bent to pull the thermostat arm
> forward and place it in the slot. Once I figured out the method
> (twenty minutes on the right side) I got the left side on in five.
> Everything is warming up nicely now, with the temps on the heads
> stabilizing at around 250-260 and the oil topping out at about
> 240-250. The vent doors are opening appropriately, and I will soon
> be ordering the bushings in order to do the shroud door mod described
> in the Communique.
>
> The car is now tending to lock up on the left rear wheel when the
> brakes are applied. It only locks completely when I emergency stop.
> During "normal" breaking, the car tilts down on the driver's side
> about 3/4" and I can hear what sounds like a shoe releasing sound
> from the left rear wheel. I've tried putting it in reverse to reset
> the adjusters. I won't be able to take the wheel off until tomorrow.
> I'm thinking that it should be ok to drive on the city streets (no
> more than 40 mph) tomorrow. The breaks have had a COMPLETE overhaul
> (except the lines, but no salt ever on this car) which included
> cylinders (complete), hoses, springs (complete), shoes, turned drums,
> and a dual master cylinder less than 1000 miles ago. Thoughts?
>
> P.S. Thanks to all who responded to the shroud issue and the security
> issue. You're the best!
>
> Stephen Upham
> Dallas, Texas
> North Texas Corvair Association
> CORSA
> Corvaireum //
>
> Mid prod. #18732 -1965 Monza Hardtop 110 PG - Sierra Tan, Saddle, A/
> C, AM/FM
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:41:32 -0800
> From: "Charles Lee"
> Subject: Re: High performance coil problem with electronic
> ignition(1962 Monza PG)
> To: "Dennis PLEAU" ,
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> Idles fine on start up, dies in gear. All's well with stock coil.
>
> Curious ...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dennis PLEAU"
> To: "Charles Lee" ;
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:31 PM
> Subject: RE: High performance coil problem with electronic
> ignition(1962 Monza PG)
>
>
> I've had nothing but problems with high perfromance coils from both Accel
> (2) and Pertronics (3). I'm back to running stock Corvair coils and they
> seem to fire my 0.040 gap under all conditions. I think the tempertures the
> coils sees in the stock location breaks down the something in the coil and
> they start missing big time.
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
> > From: chaz at ProperProPer.com> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org> Date: Mon, 12
> > Nov 2007 01:25:12 -0800> Subject: High performance coil problem with
> > electronic ignition (1962 Monza PG)> > Can anyone tell me why a 1962
> > Corvair Monza PG with electronic ignition, running fine, but after
> > installing a high performance coil would die when put in gear ? > > Idles
> > fine, until shifted into gear, and then just dies.> > Any known problems
> > ?> > Re-installing the original coil fixes the problem.> > (The car
> > belongs to a member whose Internet is down.)> > Thanks > Charles Lee>
> > Corsa Charter Member> 67 Monza
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:39:56 -0800
> From: "Charles Lee"
> Subject: Re: High performance coil problem with electronic
> ignition (1962 Monza PG)
> To: "Lon Wall"
> Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> Um, changed the coil to improve performance ? ggg
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lon Wall"
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> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:28 AM
> Subject: Re: High performance coil problem with electronic ignition
> (1962 Monza PG)
>
>
> > Why did you change the coil? Lon
> >
> > www.corvairunderground.com
> >
> > BobHelt at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> In a message dated 11/12/2007 2:25:49 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
> >> chaz at ProperProPer.com writes:
> >>
> >>Can anyone tell me why a 1962 Corvair Monza PG with electronic ignition,
> >>running fine, but after installing a high performance coil would die when
> >>put in gear ?
> >>Idles fine, until shifted into gear, and then just dies.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>wrong application?
> >> Bad coil?
> >> Regards,
> >>Bob Helt
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:57:28 -0800
> From: "Ron"
> Subject: Re: High performance coil problem / Mounting?????
> To: "Matt Nall" ,
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> I have never moved the coil from it's stock location and also have never had
> one fail over the last thirty years except one time and that was when the
> wire to the distributor shorted out. I guess that bad aftermarket coils may
> give different results but I stick with stock type coils.
> RonH
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Nall"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: High performance coil problem / Mounting?????
>
>
> > You mean in all the years you've been wrenching on Vairs.... you were
> > never concerned wit hthe TEMP of the coil in the stock location?
> >
> > 130 is scalding to the human touch..... most electrical is designed for
> > under 120 F Heat kills ..I've been told..
> >
> > I've never had a coil fail...but then I always, at least, make a Standoff
> > between the head and the coils clamp/ bracket..
> >
> >
> > Matt Nall
> > All Vairs!
> > http://members.aol.com/patiomatt
> > Lots of Corvair Technical info!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank DuVal"
> >
> >> Um, Matt, the other 49 states had the coils mounted on the right head for
> >> a few more years than California. I have never owned a Corvair with the
> >> coil not mounted on the head until now. My 64 A/C sedan has the coil on
> >> the engine lid latch brace.
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:49:06 -0500
> From: Frank DuVal
> Subject: Re: cylinder heads for reliability
> To: shortle
> Cc: JVHRoberts at aol.com, Virtual Vairs Submission
> , dsjkling at sbcglobal.net
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> Shortle:
>
> You have to match the heads to the pistons. Well, maybe....
>
> What you call a flat combustion chamber is called "open chambered" by
> Corvair people. This would be the 68-69 smog head shown on Clark's
> catalog page 1. This open chamber design usually uses domed pistons to
> get the compression right. But I may be all wet here. Maybe just the 110
> hp uses the domed pistons.
>
> The 65 head with the step has the flat surface.... Some people here
> flycut the head gasket surface smooth with this step flat surface to
> help pining problems. But on a 95? Probably not necessary.
>
> OK you late model people with more experience on smog engines, what are
> the answers to the above questions?
>
> Frank DuVal
>
> shortle wrote:
>
> >Allright. It's apparantly unanimous (I hope I spelled that right). I will be
> installing 95 HP heads in my Rampside PG. But which ones? I have the 1965 with
> fresh valve job bought from Dave's Corvair Shop in Albuquerque or I can use my
> 1969 95 HP heads (flat combustion chamber- unlike the 1965 which has a raised
> step)also with a fresh valve job.So again I ask, which set?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:21:16 +0000
> From: djtcz at comcast.net
> Subject: which seats are lost
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> Is it always intakes?
>
> --
> Dan Timberlake
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:12:21 -0500
> From: "Harry Yarnell"
> Subject: Re: which seats are lost
> To: , "corvair"
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> It's usually intakes 'cause they're bigger.
>
> harry yarnell
> perryman garage and orphanage
> hyarnell1 at earthlink.net
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> Subject: which seats are lost
>
>
> > Is it always intakes?
> >
> > --
> > Dan Timberlake
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:22:30 -0500
> From: Frank DuVal
> Subject: Re: High performance coil problem / Mounting?????
> To: Matt Nall
> Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> I was never concerned about coil temperature as coil failures are
> extremely rare. Internal breakdown failures are the most rare. I see
> more tower degradation from arcing damage than internal damage. Most are
> replaced in an attempt to improve performance, with the original coil
> being OK.
>
> Frank DuVal
>
> Matt Nall wrote:
>
> > You mean in all the years you've been wrenching on Vairs.... you were
> > never concerned wit hthe TEMP of the coil in the stock location?
> >
> > 130 is scalding to the human touch..... most electrical is designed
> > for under 120 F Heat kills ..I've been told..
> >
> > I've never had a coil fail...but then I always, at least, make a
> > Standoff between the head and the coils clamp/ bracket..
> >
> >
> > Matt Nall
> > All Vairs!
> > http://members.aol.com/patiomatt
> > Lots of Corvair Technical info!
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DuVal"
> >
> >> Um, Matt, the other 49 states had the coils mounted on the right head
> >> for a few more years than California. I have never owned a Corvair
> >> with the coil not mounted on the head until now. My 64 A/C sedan has
> >> the coil on the engine lid latch brace.
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:29:53 -0500
> From: Frank DuVal
> Subject: Re: which seats are lost
> To: Harry Yarnell
> Cc: djtcz at comcast.net, corvair
> Message-ID: <473998C1.9080301 at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> It's also intakes because the cold air rushing by the intake seat
> shrinks it.
>
> But exhaust seats do fall out, just not in the same number.
>
> Frank DuVal
>
>
> Harry Yarnell wrote:
>
> > It's usually intakes 'cause they're bigger.
> >
> > harry yarnell
> > perryman garage and orphanage
> > hyarnell1 at earthlink.net
> > ----- Original Message ----- From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 5:21 AM
> > Subject: which seats are lost
> >
> >
> >> Is it always intakes?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dan Timberlake
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:14:50 -0500
> From: "Clark Hartzel"
> Subject: 95HP heads
> To: "Virtual Vairs"
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> The 1969 heads have an open chamber because they used popup pistons. I'm
> pretty sure if you put 1969 95HP heads on an early engine with flat top
> pistons, you will end up with about 7:1 compression. Great for cheap low
> octane fuel but NO POWER!
> Clark Hartzel
>
>
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