<VV> Quoting & Spyders -- both noisy, and Extinguishers

Thu May 31 01:21:23 EDT 2007

 > Why, why, why do so many of you insist on quoting ENTIRE posts in 
your replies.

> Why, huh? Do you have a good reason? I didn't think so. Stop it. 

I don't know, why?  

What I find to be really tiresome (I read this on digest) is entire threads, where the new comments are buried somewhere inside the quoted material -- and you can't just delete the one message when you are on digest ...

And I wish the guy with the "noisy" Spyder could tell us more about what noise it is that is bothersome -- fan, lifters, alternator, exhaust, turbo whine, wind whistle, tire noise -- I sort of like the Sounds of the Corvair, tells me all is right in the world. I like just standing in the parking lot after a club meeting just to hear every one of those marvelous machines depart -- ah, sweet music!  And yes, I have headers on the 356 -- don't need no Blauplunkt (sp?) that way!

Ever watch the fire department after a car fire? After the flaming stuff is put out, someone generally pops the hood and takes a pair of cable cutters to both battery cables.  A big pair of "dikes" next to the fire extinguisher can be a very sure-fire quick disconnect.

>   2. vv - quoting entire posts - bad (no corvair) (mhicks130 at cox.net)
>   3. Re: vv - quoting entire posts - bad (no corvair)
>      (cjcavitt at comcast.net)
>   4. Re: Head Temps: New thoughts (mhicks130 at cox.net)
>   5. Re: Head Temps: New thoughts (Padgett)
>   6. Re: Steel tops, was: convertibles (Sethracer at aol.com)
>   7. Re: slow to come -  turbo  boost  no more! but lesson
>      learned.. (Matt Nall)
>   8. Steel tops  (Allen Miles)
>   9. Re: slow to come -  turbo  boost  no more! but lesson
>      learned.. (Sethracer at aol.com)
>  10. Fw: SMOKIN LOADSIDE... pix link fixed (bs)
>  11. FW: $50 Paint Job - Corvair content (Western Canada CORSA)
>
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:36:33 -0700
>From: "Craig Nicol" <nicolcs at aol.com>
>Subject: <VV> RE: Optimal motor
>To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>, <sharpiebandit06 at bellsouth.net>
>Message-ID: <000001c7a2e1$13105fd0$6b01a8c0 at HPOFFICE>
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><snip>
>Hey Ya'll,
>   I have a question. I'm about to purchase a '66 or '67 fully loaded Monza
>with a 140hp engine in it and powerglide trans. What is the gas milage of
>this motor while running at optimal levels? I'm going to try and create a
>fuel efficient 140 by matching components.
>
>Charles   5/30/07 <unsnip>
>
>The key to fuel economy is to get the engine rpm as low as possible to
>reduce engine friction and lower engine vacuum. The 140PG engine is ideally
>suited to this end since it already has a low-rpm, high-torque camshaft.
>The PG transmission isn't the best choice, but if you elect to keep the PG,
>be sure it has 3.27 gears.  With the combo as it exists, simply disable the
>secondary carburetors, (and cap the fuel lines), crowd the timing until it
>just barely pings once and a while. Also make sure the cooling system and
>thermostats are working properly. A failed thermostat will cause increased
>fuel consumption for several reasons.  Make sure the tires are relatively
>normal (narrow, 24.5"+ OD), the carbs have normal jets (49/50), and you
>might want to get a Dale distributor.
>
>I have a '67 PG 140 Monza that I've converted to an optimal transaxle combo
>that wasn't available except for a few months in '63.  This is a wide-ratio
>4-speed with 3.08 gears. The car is fabulously driveable - better than any
>other Corvair I've owned - and that's quite a few. It accelerates very
>briskly and it's quiet at speed. In town it gets mid 20's, highway mpg is in
>the high 20's. It's a perfect match for the PG140 engine's characteristics.
>(The car is a loaded 4-door).  I took first overall in a Corvair economy-run
>with 39.8 mpg (or was it 38.9?) This number included doing all the tricks
>though, not real world economy.
>Craig Nicol
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:43:35 -0400
>From: <mhicks130 at cox.net>
>Subject: <VV> vv - quoting entire posts - bad (no corvair)
>To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Message-ID:
>	<13829200.1180547015350.JavaMail.root at eastrmwml22.mgt.cox.net>
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>Why, why, why do so many of you insist on quoting ENTIRE posts in your replies.  Why, huh?  Do you have a good reason?  I didn't think so.  Stop it. 
>
>Every month we get a regular posting telling us not to do it and yet a lot of you still do.  I bet you guys also leave your cell phones on in the movie theater even after all the advertising before the movie telling you to turn them off.  It's annoying, stop doing that too.
>
>It's not so hard to edit the original post to show just what you're replying to and it makes it a lot easier for the rest of us to separate the chaff from the wheat.
>
>Oh yeah: late model, convertible, cold, mechanical, points, rear window, synthetic .....
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:48:35 +0000
>From: cjcavitt at comcast.net
>Subject: Re: <VV> vv - quoting entire posts - bad (no corvair)
>To: VirtualVairs at corvair.org
>Message-ID:
>	<053020071748.17548.465DB8ED000A43010000448C22092299279B9B07900E0C060C at comcast.net>
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>you know whats even worse than that? people that even take up more space and time BITCHING about it! do people seriously have nothing better to do than bitch? Dont read it, if if bothers you  curt
>
>-------------- Original message -------------- 
>From: <mhicks130 at cox.net> 
>
>  
>
>>Why, why, why do so many of you insist on quoting ENTIRE posts in your replies. 
>>Why, huh? Do you have a good reason? I didn't think so. Stop it. 
>>
>>Every month we get a regular posting telling us not to do it and yet a lot of 
>>you still do. I bet you guys also leave your cell phones on in the movie 
>>theater even after all the advertising before the movie telling you to turn them 
>>off. It's annoying, stop doing that too. 
>>
>>It's not so hard to edit the original post to show just what you're replying to 
>>and it makes it a lot easier for the rest of us to separate the chaff from the 
>>wheat. 
>>
>>Oh yeah: late model, convertible, cold, mechanical, points, rear window, 
>>synthetic ..... 
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>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:50:34 -0400
>From: <mhicks130 at cox.net>
>Subject: Re: <VV> Head Temps: New thoughts
>To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Message-ID:
>	<14248104.1180547434085.JavaMail.root at eastrmwml22.mgt.cox.net>
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>Temperature (and pressure) gauges ARE good for knowing when your car is changing.  I don't necessarily care what absolute temperature I'm running but if it changes from what it normally runs at, I know something has changed somewhere.  That's not a lot of useful information but it's better than nothing.   A gauge tells you something before a warning light will.  Maybe not much before but before.
>
>Huh, I agree with George Jones, IT'S THE APOCALYPSE!!!
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:53:08 -0400
>From: Padgett <pp2 at 6007.us>
>Subject: Re: <VV> Head Temps: New thoughts
>To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20070530134333.011a1008 at mail.bellsouth.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
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>
>  
>
>>That doesn't mean that your gauges are way out in
>>left field, but I have seen factory gauges that are typically 15-25% off.
>>    
>>
>
>For a while I kept a new GM 3532954 oil pressure sensor on hand because at 
>least once a year one of our cars with 3800s would need one. Have seen read 
>low, high, and leak. Even GM says (in the service manual) when in doubt, 
>use a mechanical gauge.
>
>I do have a dual CHT gauge in my Monza dash but that was more to find out 
>what it runs (280F-300F at the plug on the Interstate) and to fill the "You 
>were too cheap to buy a clock" hole in the dash - the AM/FM/CD in the glove 
>box is a much more accurate clock.
>
>Could not avoid completely (too many English cars in youth) but oil 
>pressure gauge is on oil filter.
>
>Padgett
>
>http://cfcorvairs.us/vairsale 
>
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:54:38 EDT
>From: Sethracer at aol.com
>Subject: Re: <VV> Steel tops, was: convertibles
>To: bmoneill at juno.com
>Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Message-ID: <cdb.fd070e9.338f145e at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
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> 
>In a message dated 5/30/2007 10:06:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
>bmoneill at juno.com writes:
>
>I have a  1934 publication in which photos and press releases state that the 
>1934  Studebaker was the first to offer a complete steel top.  Photos show a  
>Stude being pushed off a hill, rolling over and over and finally coming to  
>rest on its wheels with no damage to the top.
>
>
>
>
>
>That wasn't a sand hill in Florida, was it? <grin>  -Seth
>
>
>
>************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:16:16 -0700
>From: "Matt Nall" <nalllm at verizon.net>
>Subject: Re: <VV> slow to come -  turbo  boost  no more! but lesson
>	learned..
>To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Message-ID: <000e01c7a2e6$a4f97c60$6701a8c0 at solar.cat.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>	reply-type=original
>
>I'm so glad I waited all these years before buying a Turbo'd Vair....Always 
>nice to KNOW you have ALL the FACTS  and not a bunch of BS passed on by 
>those that never succeded.   VirtualVairs and FastVairs made my Boosted life 
>easy!
>Frank has repeated his wisdom so many times in 8 years that it's embedded in 
>my memory....
>
>As most know, I purchased a 66 Monza with 65 Turbo engine with 95 hp heads 
>and a 2bbl Weber  65  transaxle with 3.27's.....that never made boost....
>I first  checked the factory gauge with a calibrated / annual certification 
>device.....got lucky and this one is spot on!
>Then I checked the  timing.......and curve / Advance- retard of the Ignition 
>system.....  knowing we wanted 27 deg. TOTAL advance while boosted;
>BUT we wanted all the advance we could get while driving normally to add pep 
>and mileage.....but this engine has 95 hp heads [ higher compression!].
>
>So I  removed the Dale VA / PR  unit and added a Soft / fast pullin [ low 
>Hg] VA..
>
>Next, we know the less advance ..the quicker the boost....but too little 
>while boosted and temps go sky high... so I decided on an initial of 14 BTDC 
>with the soft  modified VA that  brings it to over 30 deg. while driving 
>normally....but falls off as soon as the throttle is wide open..
>I re-curved the distributor to add 13 deg. by 2400 rpm..giving a total of 27 
>BTDC while  accelerating / boosting.  And I added a "Knock  Sensor" that 
>retards up to 12 deg. if any pinging is felt.
>
>Next we need HEAT..a HOT engine....  300 plus as Frank and others always 
>state.....so after fighting a nonworking Factory system and calibrating 
>using a portable Hot oil Bath........and installing good tight GM 
>T-stats.....I found I could reach 200-220 while idling .......not enough!
>I then fabricated "hats" for the T-stats...that sheild the direct flow of 
>hot air.....making them slower to open.....once "heatsoak" is achieved in 
>the shrouds..it makes no difference...so it's not dangerous  IMO
>Now I had 320f on the gauge  at idle..BOTH T-stat doors open standing 
>still.....  ready to boost! .... I thought
>
>Still nothing!..gauge would move towards "0"..but never above....
>
>Turns out the trunk of this car had lots of spares..... including a nice 
>"straight pipe"....HMMM...... maybe the original builder was using the 
>muffler as a limiter???
>
>So on it went.....and sure enough..that nice Clean  Muffler was a little 
>1-3/4" inlet unit!......if I'd only looked closer 1st...
>
>After testing / boosting with the straight pipe...I added a Dynomax 
>glasspack / straightthru muffler...
>
>What did I end up with?
>
>An engine that, 1st time......gives 8" in 1st,   12" in 2nd, 18" in 3rd and 
>25" in 4th...... this is as you pull out of the driveway after letting the 
>engine warm to 320f.
>
>I 'm at 4500 ft elevation and run 92 octane....so far so good.........once I 
>move home at sea level......we'll see how it acts....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Matt Nall
>All Vairs!
>http://members.aol.com/patiomatt
>Lots of Corvair Technical info!
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <FrankCB at aol.com>
>  
>
>>   Also with the loooooong exhaust piping between  exhaust manifolds and
>>turbo it takes a few minutes under full load to build up  boost in the 
>>Corvair.
>>Get the engine fully warmed up (300+ deg. F on the  CHT gauge) get to the
>>bottom of a LONG hill and floor the accelerator pedal and  hold it for at 
>>least 3
>>minutes.  Four or five minutes is even better. 
>>    
>>
>
>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:46:52 -0400
>From: "Allen Miles" <jallenm at comcast.net>
>Subject: <VV> Steel tops 
>To: "Virtual Vairs" <VirtualVairs at corvair.org>
>Message-ID: <001101c7a2e2$822e9cf0$42e03a44 at Dell2350>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
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>My father was with GM many years . First all steel top in Chevrolet was 1935 . GM called it the Turret Top .    Allen 64 Vair 
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>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:21:14 EDT
>From: Sethracer at aol.com
>Subject: Re: <VV> slow to come -  turbo  boost  no more! but lesson
>	learned..
>To: nalllm at verizon.net, virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Message-ID: <d48.8e318f4.338f1a9a at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> 
>In a message dated 5/30/2007 11:17:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
>nalllm at verizon.net writes:
>
>An  engine that, 1st time......gives 8" in 1st,   12" in 2nd, 18" in 3rd  and 
>25" in 4th...... this is as you pull out of the driveway after letting  the 
>engine warm to 320f.
>
>I 'm at 4500 ft elevation and run 92  octane....so far so good.........once I 
>move home at sea level......we'll  see how it acts....
>
>
>
>
>
>And for how long! <grin> - Seth
>
>
>
>************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:34:33 -0500
>From: "bs" <upnorth1 at gmail.com>
>Subject: <VV> Fw: SMOKIN LOADSIDE... pix link fixed
>To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Message-ID: <001d01c7a2d0$066220e0$04ac7044 at bob>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x288/wayupnorthwisconsin/me-at-cabin.jpg
>http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x288/wayupnorthwisconsin/loadside-in-wi.jpg
>http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x288/wayupnorthwisconsin/corvair-engine.jpg
>
>some folks said the link for the pix wasnt working, I hope this is corrected.
>
>I was able to fing more info on the oil pressure relief valve on an ultralight site, thanks for the tip!!!
>
>
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>Message: 11
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:51:17 -0700
>From: Western Canada CORSA <westerncanadacorsa at shaw.ca>
>Subject: <VV> FW: $50 Paint Job - Corvair content
>To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
>Message-ID: <00c901c7a2eb$815a1fd0$6401a8c0 at MAINCOMPUTER>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Crossposting from the WCC list.  I haven't seen this site before.  It came
>out pretty good!
>
>Regards,
>Joel
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Of ErikMeisterman
>Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:33 AM
>To: corvairs at cybrus.net
>Subject: WC: $50 Paint Job - Corvair content
>
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>Corvair owners are known to be very frugal.  For those that can't afford 
>a $4,000 paint job, the following is an interesting link.
>http://www.rickwrench.com/50dollarpaint.html
>
>Erik Meisterman
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