<VV> Corvair Inventory
Ray Davis
scout1977 at hotmail.com
Fri Jan 12 15:37:04 EST 2007
In addition to the question on Corvair inventory, I have another
question. How many current owners were the proud owners of a new, as
in never before owned, Corvair?
After wrecking a VW Convertible four times (tree, telephone pole, deer
and rolled with top down), it had to go. After admiring a friends '62
and driving it, I purchased a new 1963 4 speed Convertible for about
$2400 in August 1963, just before my wife and I wed. It was a bit hard
to drive with my arm in a cast. Had a new motor installed in 1968 for
about $600 (still have the receipt somewhere). Unfortunately, in 1972
two groups of teenagers were dorking around, side swiped one another
and one of them T-boned the Corvair sitting in my driveway knocking it
into a 15 foot gully beside the house. I still have the motor and a
few of its parts. My wife told me she knew she would outlast the
Corvair and she has for 43 years. She knows she is a close #1.
I had three other Corvairs between 1972 and 1977 but was Covairless
between 1977 and 1986. Was overtook by the fever. Did not get the '64
Convertible on the road until 1989. It won a first in early
open modfied class in 1991 at the International Show in Maryland.
Still a beauty!
My Inventory (not fleet status yet)
1961 Wagon, 3 Speed
1962 ElVair, was a wagon now a pint sized ElCamino. customized in PA,
A/C, Auto
1962 Rampside, 4 speed, until recently resided in SanDiego
1964 Convertible, 4 speed
All with Antique License Plates and operated as such! And yes, all
earlies.
Also a 1964 VW Notchback (for sale), 1977 International Scout (Code
Red for termite damage control), 1987 ElCamino - operational but not
licensed
Vairly yours,
Ray Davis
Hartwood, VA
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Today's Topics:
1. Headlight Bezels, '65 (Dave Keillor)
2. Re: VV Names - little Corvair (Lonny Clark)
3. Re: Important: HB 2465 (George Jones)
4. Re: Inspections and emission systems. No Corvair! (George
Jones)
5. another '68 with a "Deluxe Steering Wheel"
(LonzoVair at aol.com)
6. Re: RE: HB 2465 - Annual Fees & Inspections for Antiques
(kaczmarek at charter.net)
7. FW: <VV> VV Names - little Corvair/ info/ delete as nessary
/humor (Brandes, Guy)
8. Re: Headlight Bezels, '65 (Ron)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:47:06 -0600
From: "Dave Keillor" <dkeillor at tconcepts.com>
Subject: <VV> Headlight Bezels, '65
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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I'm looking for both left and right headlight bezels for a
'65. NOS,
NORS, or excellent used.
Dave Keillor
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:54:27 -0800
From: "Lonny Clark" <lclarkpdx at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> VV Names - little Corvair
To: "LonzoVair at aol.com" <LonzoVair at aol.com>
Cc: Corvair List <VirtualVairs at corvair.org>
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They can't call you Lonny, that's me!! I hope nobody tries to buy
parts from
me, I don't have many extras.
Lonny
PS: My whole name is Lonny Clark, so I can't sell my Corvair - it
would
cause a rip in the fabric of the universe.
On 1/11/07, LonzoVair at aol.com <LonzoVair at aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/11/2007 6:54:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> jncmiller at mchsi.com writes:
>
> There are lots of names here....lots of initials....lots of last
> names.....Lon...Lonzo...<snip>
>
>
> John,
> I've been on here since right around 1995 or thereabouts... I
originally
> signed my name as Lon, which *IS* my given name, but then I
started
> getting
> these emails telling me what great items I was selling, and how
wonderful
> those
> U-pipe for the 110s were that I was selling... and for a little
while I
> had to
> tell at least a dozen or so people that I was NOT Lon Wall (not
that
> there's
> anything wrong with Lon Wall... personally I really like the guy,
and LOVE
> doing business with him, because as a businessman he's a breath
of fresh
> air!)... so I started signing as "Lonzo" (which was a high
school
> nickname... right
> there with "Sasquatch", but friendlier sounding)... I have a
huge number
> of
> people who still call me "Lonzo" or "Lonnie" (which I was never
called as
> a
> kid because my grandpa was Lonnie), but the birth certificate
and drivers
> license says "Lon"... but I really don't mind...
> Personally, you can call me anything as long as you don't call me
late to
> supper!
>
> On a more "Corvairish" note, I stopped by on my way home from the
> Derby City
> meeting tonight and saw my buddy with the Frankensteined 61/63
Monza
> Convertible... dropped off a pair of wheel covers for it, along
with some
> wheel well
> trim for the right side, and some shroud pieces and a skid
plate...
> he's got
> some springs coming from Clarks, and I showed him a few other
parts he
> might
> be needing... I'll be helping him with a few things... he's
tickled to get
> the help, and I'm happy to see a guy almost my age (he's 37)
with an old
> car
> that's as enthusiastic as he is... Life is good!
>
> Later,
> Lonzo
>
>
> Lon Anderson in White Mills, KY
> CORSA, Corvanatics, Derby City Corvair, Central Ky Corvair,
Quart Low
> Quarterly Editor
> 1961 Greenbrier 110/pg
> 1963 Greenbrier 110/4spd
> 1964 700 sedan 95/pg
> 1969 Monza 110/pg
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 08:32:22 -0500
From: "George Jones" <georgedjones at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Important: HB 2465
To: "Frank DuVal" <corvairduval at cox.net>
Cc: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>, mhicks130 at cox.net
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Spot on Frank! I couldn't have said it better myself. Besides that,
everyone
knows that Californians all drive Hummers, Lambo's and Ferrari's,
so they
have mechanics on retainer.
GGGG
On 1/12/07, Frank DuVal <corvairduval at cox.net> wrote:
>
> I think it is because you were in California that you are
confused on
> why we have state saftey inspection.
>
> No RUST in your background.
>
> Here cars dissolved back before the 90's and all that new factory
> rustfroofing to keep the unibodies from dissolving.
>
> I have seen cars drive into my shop with suspension parts rusted
off,
> like frame rails! Until the wheel falls off, most drivers do not
know
> there is a problem under there.
>
> Maryland only inspects when the car is sold. You should hear the
stories
> from my MD mechanic friends of what worn out cars (brakes,
suspension)
> the drivers finally drive in for repairs.
>
> Car people get their cars fixed. Average people drive until
something
> falls off or dies, unless forced to have inspections.
>
> State saftey inspection is no revenue maker for the state. And it
is a
> sure revenue looser for the shop unless the car owner has the
work
> performed by the shop. There are abusive shops, but just call the
state
> police and report them. They take complaints very seriously.
Licenses
> are revoked for offenders.
>
> As far as breakdowns of the engine, aren't poorly running engines
in CA
> snagged by the emission inspections?
>
> Frank DuVal
>
> mhicks130 at cox.net wrote:
>
> >There is a competing bill, HB1927, that is endorsed by the
Virginia Car
> Club Councils that will update the law without requiring the
annual
> inspections and fees but still curb a lot of the abuses. We are
being
> encouraged to write to our delegates to ask them to support this
bill.
> >
> >If I'm paying annual fees and getting inspections, why the heck
would I
> want antique plates and their driving limitations? Virginia has
some
> stupidity in it. The "safety" inspections are one of the
stupidest of the
> stupid things. How did the people who make money from repairing
your car
> get to decide whether your car is "safe" to drive without
repairs?? This is
> nuts. I lived most of my car-driving life in California and they
had no
> safety inspections and the cars there didn't break down or get
into
> accidents any more often than the ones here. It's strictly a
revenue law
> that sounds like a good idea to the uninformed. No inspection
will fix the
> loose nut behind the wheel and that causes 99% of all accidents.
> >
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Corvair Society of America (Since 1987)
Tidewater Corvair Club (Since 1987)
Central Virginia Corvair Club (Since 2006)
'65 Monza Crown V8 Convertible
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2397326
'66 Monza Coupe (Custom in work)
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:36:03 -0500
From: "George Jones" <georgedjones at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Inspections and emission systems. No Corvair!
To: "Sethracer at aol.com" <Sethracer at aol.com>
Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org, GBrandes at loebermotors.com
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Love the OBD II systems. My wife's Windstar was tossing a code,
(both banks
too lean), and after cleaning and testing the obvious (MAF,
throttle body,
etc), I stumbled upon a tech note regarding intake manifold bolts
being held
in place with bolts with rubber seals. A little more research and I
found
out that Ford did a production change to the rubber seals. Seems
the seals,
when exposed to the oil/vapors from the PCV system, were breaking
down and
allowing air into the charge. $80 later, and about 4 hours of
labor, and I
was back on the road with a green board. Wouldn't have even know
that I had
a problem without the OBD II. If you're thinking about buying one,
buy the
best one you can afford. Sometimes, knowing only what the code is,
isn't
enough. Stepping up to the second tier gives you the ability to
reset codes
and monitor engine function while driving (especially good for
troubleshooting O2 sensor problems).
On 1/12/07, Sethracer at aol.com <Sethracer at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 1/12/2007 9:08:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> GBrandes at loebermotors.com writes:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I have to disagree with you about the emission stuff just to
make a
> profit for dealers and manufactures, they are mandated by
state and
> federal government.
>
>
>
> For those of us who own OBDII cars, a scan tool can make it much
easier to
> avoid the big dealer costs. All cars since 1996 have the port.
Tools start
> at
> about $30 - and up, way up if you want tons of features. I popped
a code
> (slang for turning on the check engine light) on my 1996 Camaro
at about
> 105K
> miles. The car still ran fine. I rented a code reader (for free)
from a
> local
> AutoZone. It identified the problem as a failed Oxygen Sensor
ahead of the
> converter. I reset the Check engine light and returned the
code reader.
> nthe next
> morning the light came back on. Okay - I pulled the spare Oxygen
sensor
> off
> a tailpipe I had saved after parting out another Camaro,
slid under and
> replaced the failed unit. Went back and re-rented the code
reader to
> reset the
> light again and returned the tester unit. Cost so far "Zero"
- But had I
> not
> parted out that other car, I would have had to buy a Oxygen
sensor -say
> $70 or
> so. And the car has worked fine since, passed a bi-annual smog
test, with
> no
> issues. Now, I am not saying that the Corvair should somehow
have the On
> Board
> Diagnostic sensors added. The simplicity of the Corvair is
certainly one
> of
> it's attractive features. But the new systems, mandated by
government
> regulations have certainly made it easier to find what goes
wrong on
> newer cars. The
> argument could be made that the sensor that failed on the Camaro
didn't
> matter to the running or emissions of the car. It actually could
have
> impacted
> the usability if the computer didn't have a correct feedback on
the fuel
> injection effectiveness. But think of how many time we have
chased down
> drivability
> problems on our Corvairs, replacing part after part to try and
subdue the
> problem. The systems in the new cars are much better at
isolating the
> problems
> so they can be addressed. The Corvair I am building right now
will have a
> wide-band oxygen sensors "on-board", with additional sensors and
readings
> for
> addressing any response or performance issues. According to the
SEMA
> newsletter, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) is
examining the
> possibility of
> testing older cars again, cars which have been out of the
California smog
> testing system for years. Some day we may all be fitting
additional
> aftermarket
> systems or putting our cars in museums. - Seth Emerson
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Corvair Society of America (Since 1987)
Tidewater Corvair Club (Since 1987)
Central Virginia Corvair Club (Since 2006)
'65 Monza Crown V8 Convertible
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2397326
'66 Monza Coupe (Custom in work)
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:06:19 EST
From: LonzoVair at aol.com
Subject: <VV> another '68 with a "Deluxe Steering Wheel"
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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Hey guys,
They seem to be crawling out of the woodwork!
A few years back I had the steering wheel cover for one of these(3
spoke
piece with the horn buttons)... it was blue... I might still have
it, but my
parts are still scattered in 3 different counties...
Anyway, here's the link:
_http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvair-1968-chevy-corvai
r_W0QQcmdZV
iewItemQQcategoryZ6167QQihZ005QQitemZ150080490880QQrdZ1QQsspagename
ZWDVW_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvair-1968-chevy-corvai
r_W0QQcmdZViewI
temQQcategoryZ6167QQihZ005QQitemZ150080490880QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDV
W)
Enjoy!
Lonzo
Lon Anderson in White Mills, KY
CORSA, Corvanatics, Derby City Corvair, Central Ky Corvair, Quart
Low
Quarterly Editor
1961 Greenbrier 110/pg
1963 Greenbrier 110/4spd
1964 700 sedan 95/pg
1969 Monza 110/pg
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:21:21 -0800
From: <kaczmarek at charter.net>
Subject: Re: <VV> RE: HB 2465 - Annual Fees & Inspections for
Antiques
To: "mark at noakes.com" <mark at noakes.com>, virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID: <2064937358.1168629681627.JavaMail.root at fepweb09>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Mark
While I lived in VA (89-97) I didn't encounter much rip-offs by
inspection stations.
Of course, it's also important to know where to go.
I did most all the repair business I couldn't do on my own at BRT
service in Va Beach. Owned, operated and staffed by Born-Again
Christians, they didn't rip people off. One of my neighbors worked
there, and turned me on to the place.
I sent a friend of mine there who the BMW dealer told he needed a
new oil pump, about a 800.00 job all told. BRT replaced his oil
pressure sending unit, checked his oil pressure, sent him away with
a parts and labor bill for 70.00 Even HE couldn't believe it.
Then again, while working at Western Auto (still a SIGH), one of
our regular customers (known as "the Chaplain of Aragona Village"
for being a busybody), came to me and told me the Goodyear store in
the Pembroke Mall failed his truck on inspection for bad shocks. We
had installed top of the line Monroe HD shocks on his 80's model
F-150 not 6 months before.
I bounced the bumpers, and the car stopped bouncing immediately. I
got under with a flashlight and checked for leaking oil/bad
seals. Nothing. I called the SGT at the VA State Police barracks
in Chesapeake(that handled the inspection stations), and told him
what I'd found. The SGT requested that the owner bring the truck
by for HIM to take a look. The SGT asked the owner to accompany
him to the Goodyear store. The SGT went inside, took the
inspection certificate from both the inspector and the store, and
told the Manager---THAT'S IT FOR YOU---1 YEAR SUSPENSION.
Now as has been mentioned, the inspecting location don't make much
if anything off an inspection in VA---BUT when you can't do them,
you can't sell or install any parts you find bad (or lie to the
customer that they're bad) to make any income off the job. It can
put a dent in any repair business. Best to be honest.
My inspector Dennis at BRT would ask me questions when doing a
Corvair, he'd been a mechanic for about 7 years, but admitted
ignorance re: the Corvair.
Example--when I put four tailight lenses on my car (changed the
bulbs and sockets to double contact for 1157 bulbs, and
wired jumpers to have all 4 come on at once-- He asked me "Where's
your backup lights?" And I told him in 1965 they were still
optional--same when he asked me about the rear seatbelts.
After he checked the book, he came back and said "I'll take your
word on this stuff from now on". At the next TCC meeting I told
the rest of the club if they wanted a no-hassle inspection on their
Vair, take it to BRT.
Could work for any grouping of clubbies.
HANK
---- "mark at noakes.com" <mark at noakes.com> wrote:
> When I was doing my NASA/Langley co-oping in the Hampton Roads
area in
> the mid 1970s, VA had a horrible reputation for ripoffs related
to the
> inspections. Are they still done by shops that sell parts or is
it
> govt now?
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:35:02 -0600
From: "Brandes, Guy" <GBrandes at loebermotors.com>
Subject: FW: <VV> VV Names - little Corvair/ info/ delete as
nessary
/humor
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Message-ID:
<420198DE0F8CAD40A63CD2D3E5FBB6A66147D2 at LIN-LOEBER01.internal.loebe
rmotors.com>
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___OK, new thread here's my information:
Guy Brandes
CCE, CORSA, 30 years a service manager(yes we work on emission
systems),
competitive shooter, Civil War buff, gun collector and I still play
with
model trains. I have a 56 Monza 4DOOR with a4 speed and a 140
engine.
I have only one because I have a wife who doesn't appreciate my
many and
expensive hobbies. If you break down in Palatine you can tow it to
my
house and pick it up when you want.
Regards,
Guy Brandes
65 VAIR 140
PS I hope to be at the CORSA convention this summer so you can take
me
to task for misbehaving on VV. I have not been on VV long enough
to
appreciate the established protocol.
G
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:34:47 -0800
From: "Ron" <ronh at owt.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Headlight Bezels, '65
To: "Dave Keillor" <dkeillor at tconcepts.com>,
<virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Message-ID: <011301c73680$b9e3db20$e3ee9240 at YOUR76500D519C>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Ebay seems to be the place for that as they are frequently listed
there.
RonH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Keillor" <dkeillor at tconcepts.com>
To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: <VV> Headlight Bezels, '65
> I'm looking for both left and right headlight bezels for a
'65. NOS,
> NORS, or excellent used.
>
> Dave Keillor
>
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