In 8 years I've attended 4 conventions.........never had / saw a problem....but if I read my VV mails I sure can HEAR about them!!! ggg The only thing you'll ever hear from me are complaint is it's too hot / humid.....and I don't want to mess with " Mother Nature" Matt Nall All Vairs! http://members.aol.com/patiomatt Lots of Corvair Technical info!