<VV> Re: Zoning issues from Sema

[airvair]

Would this fall under the old saw "my right to swing my fist ends where
your nose begins" or "one person's trash is someone else's treasure?"

The whole problem revolves around common sense and appropriate
behaviour. If only those proposing laws would have some common sense and
calmly consider all aspects of what they attempt to write into law...
But we being human, even the system under which we work is not perfect.
It is therefore up to every citizen to be ever vigilant in protecting
his/her rights, AND to be mindful of others' rights as well. There's
always SOME bastard wanting to take your rights away, just to make the
world around him conform to his own ideals.

On this point, I think that Lon and Tim both have good points.

-Mark (with all my Corvairs stored inside)

corvairs wrote:
> 
> Tim - The history of mankind is one person trying to take away what
> another person has. It's the eternal struggle. But before you condemn
> your fellow man, ask yourself which of your own (I don't mean yours
> personally) pet schemes, phobias, nifty ideas etc. you have supported as
> codified law. If your answer is "none" I would say you're in a tiny
> minority of the human race.
> 
> This is an important Corvair related discussion because the 33 years
> I've been in business I have dealt with NUMEROUS Corvair "experts"
> "collectors" "eccentrics" "cranks" whatever, who's basic problem wasn't
> that they thought, because of some high libertarian morals, that they
> were being wronged - oh no, it was because no one was going to tell them
> what they could do on thier own property and everyone else could go jump
> in a lake. Many of these folks had no regards for thier neighbor's
> health or safety and some even seemed to enjoy ticking them off as much
> as possible.
> 
> And he's how it works - Most of us would agree that there is a BIG
> differnce between 20 abandoned Corvairs and one or  two. And the laws,
> we would hope, would reflect that. Oh, but this where the devil has the
> most fun. Because practicality says we want it both ways we have already
> dismissed ourswelves from any "moral" or philosophical arguments. We're
> in the business of drawing lines.  And like it or not that's always
> where we are.
> 
> Before anyone thinks that they can  oppose many of these ordinances on
> the basis of private property philosophy ought to sit, like I did, on a
> city planning commission for 6 years and hear some of the biggest
> property rights libertarians in town shuffle around while they tried to
> explain thier opposition to adult book stores, an asphalt plant or a
> cell tower in thier back yard. Some of them even supported a ban of
> "abandoned" cars - even just one, because they thought it would make
> thier own property values go up (It didn't pass). The problem is not
> just the traditional "meddlers" we talk about - it's nearly all of us.
> 20 Corvairs is not an adult bookstore but then that's yours and my
> opinion, isn't it?   Lon
> 
> Tim Verthein wrote:
> 
> >The problems come from people who have no hobbies, or lives, except to
> >dedicate themselves to making the rest of the world conform to their
> >ideal, perfect world. Cars are only a small part of the problem.
> >
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