<VV> Car Display

[Kent Sullivan]

Something to keep in mind about undercarriage judging: Unless I am
remembering incorrectly, it is 12% of the total concours score. If a person
entered the proposed Driver's Class and had not restored their
undercarriage, they could easily lose 25% of the points for this category,
which translates to 3% of the total score. A totally unrestored
undercarriage could easily lose 50% (6%). That would leave only 3% (maximum)
of the total they could lose elsewhere and still get a Gold Award (since the
cutoff for that is 94%).

--Kent
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Subject: RE: <VV> Car Display

Dennis, thanks for being willing to follow up on this.  I talked to a lot of
guys at the Car Display side of the field, and most of them would not do
concours because of the undercarraige inspection.  I think the chassis
judging is an excellent thing.  There are people who bring their cars to
amazing levels of detail, and it's unfair to that level of effort not to
make it part of the evaluation.  But I think the gulf between the car
display and concours is a bit too wide.  Either you have to be a
professional competitor and be judged by their standards, or you are left by
the wayside.  

There are lots of good reasons for keeping the status quo, not the least of
which is the issue of manpower.  I know that it's difficult to get judges
for the concours as it is.  However, I think one of the goals of the
concours/car display should be to encourage people to compete at the highest
level possible.  It's good to strive for quality.  At the same time, another
goal is to keep things fun because, after all, this is a hobby.  (Ok, it's
an obssession, but that's a discussion for another day).  Having said all of
that, a level of judged competition that is a little less intimidating might
attract more cars to the concours.  And one people have tested the waters,
well, what's a few hours on the creeper between the jackstands?

That's why I like the idea of having the driver division be identical to the
concours with the undercarraige points treated as a full deduct for every
car in the category.  If you compete and do well in this class, you may get
gold, but you won't be able to say you have a 98 pt. car.  You do have the
privilege of knowing that within the parameters of the event you were
competitive, though.  The other nice thing about this is that judging would
be a breeze because it would be part of the concours.

I'm not enamored too much with breaking up the car display and the concours,
though.  First, I think there are enough events as it is for the host clubs
to orchestrate.  Second, the concours simply has to come at the beginning of
the Convention because of the Ed Cole competition--it's unfair to the
competitors to make them rally, econorun and autocross their cars before the
concours.  If the car display was a different day, a lot of people would not
bother coming until after the concours was competed.  I think that would be
would be a real pity.  Third, I think that the concours may inspire some
owners whose cars are in the car display.  If you separate the events, I
would expect participation it the concours to dwindle.  Fourth, if we are to
be inclusive as a club, these events should occur together.  Finally, I
would be surprised if all of the concours cars would cooperate in the car
show event, so many people would lose their opportunity to see them.

My 2 cents.

Norm
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