Fw: <VV> police harassment - again -long

Charles Lee chaz at properproper.com
Sat Oct 1 20:05:21 EDT 2005 

> I've got over 100,000 miles on my car (non-Corvair, 'nuff said), and no
> inspection is required so far.
>
> A "safety inspection" is only required if your car is "totaled" and 
> re-registered as "salvage."
>
> I'm used to NY's annual inspections for people who don't know better, or 
> really care what damage they cause.
>
> I had a friend whose brakes were so bad they she rear-ended a Highway 
> Patrol car and wanted me to help her break into the police impound yard to 
> do her brakes before they found out !  She's a doctor (CRT) now, so watch 
> out !
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris C" <ricorvair at cox.net>
> To: "Spence Shepard" <sshepard3 at earthlink.net>; <VirtualVairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:18 AM
> Subject: Re: <VV> police harassment - again -long
>
>
>>I tend to agree.  RI went to a 2 year inspection, and I think that was 
>>stupid (upped the fee to 47 because of emissions).
>> Now a car with marginal brakes and tires has two years to get really bad. 
>> Had a car pass inspection on the first and get a new front axel by the 
>> 30'th.   But it passed then.
>>
>> Inpections are not for those of us who care.  Its to protect us against 
>> those who don't care or know enough.
>>
>> Still bring my cars to the shop classic or otherwise and pay to get them 
>> checked out by somebody else.
>>
>> At 09:47 PM 9/30/2005, you wrote:
>>>Mike,
>>>
>>>We have a similar situation here in North Carolina. Cars 35 years old and 
>>>older are not required to have a safety inspection (regardless of plate). 
>>>This is a new requirement this year. I'm sure a lot of police officers 
>>>don't know about it, it wasn't very well publicised.
>>>
>>>I probably have a different perspective on this situation that a lot of 
>>>people. I am a State Inspector and I encourage people to have their 
>>>Corvairs inspected even though it isn't required. It certainly isn't 
>>>because of the $8 "profit" I make for 20 minutes of work that often turns 
>>>into an hour when I have a problem with the inspection machine or the car 
>>>being inspected. It's because I think the service I provide is a bargain 
>>>as is the certification that the car is "safe". I have personally 
>>>experienced a situation where an insurance company accused me of having 
>>>an unsafe Corvair when their insured ran into me. The fact that my car 
>>>had recently been inspected was a factor in the settlement. In North 
>>>Carolina an insurance company gets out of paying anything if they can 
>>>prove that you in any way (like 1%) contribute to the accident.
>>>
>>>I know that most people don't like the State telling them they have to do 
>>>anything, especially when it come to our cars, but I think it is foolish 
>>>not to take advantage of a real bargain.
>>>
>>>Spence Shepard----- Original Message ----- From: <mhicks130 at cox.net>
>>>To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>>Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:36 PM
>>>Subject: <VV> police harassment - again -long
>>>
>>>
>>>>A while back I posted about being pulled over by a York County VA 
>>>>sheriff because I didn't have the state-mandated safety inspection 
>>>>sticker in my window.  He told me that antique cars were not exempt. 
>>>>Afterwards I talked to a state police officer (they oversee the safety 
>>>>inspection laws) and he said antique registered cars ARE exempt and 
>>>>suggested that I keep a copy of the laws in my glovebox for the next 
>>>>time I got pulled over.  Well I got pulled over again today - by the 
>>>>SAME sheriff's deputy.
>>>>
>>>>This time he was directing traffic in front of a school.  He left his 
>>>>post, drove the wrong way in the opposing lane to chase me down - for 
>>>>not having a sticker (which I am exempt by law from having).  I was 
>>>>ready for him this time - I had my printouts.  He saw them when he 
>>>>walked up to the car and asked if was going to read them to him.  I 
>>>>replied "if I have to". I told him that I had talked to the state police 
>>>>and they told me I was exempt.  He said they lied to me!!!  I barked 
>>>>back that no they did not. I then read the laws to him as requested.  He 
>>>>admitted that I was right (??). He then threatened to pull my tags and 
>>>>force me to tow my car home because it was unsafe in his oppoinion 
>>>>because I couldn't "prove" the brakes were good.  I offered to jack the 
>>>>car up and show him but he wanted the inspection pink slip. I told him 
>>>>the inspection slip doesn't prove anything and again offered to show him 
>>>>my brakes.  I was actually YELLING at this guy by this time.  I know 
>>>>it's no
>>>>t a good idea but I couldn't help it.  Telling my the state police were 
>>>>liars and then threatening to impound my plates with no probable cause 
>>>>was more than I could take.  I accused him of harassment and demanded 
>>>>another officer be brought to the scene.  I felt things were getting 
>>>>ugly fast and I wanted a "real" cop to be there.  Well things calmed 
>>>>down and me and the deputy had a reasonable little talk after that.  He 
>>>>said he didn't remember talking to me before and was just trying to 
>>>>inform me of the laws pertaining to antique vehicles.  But of course he 
>>>>was telling me the wrong laws until I read him the real law.  He knew 
>>>>the real law too, he just doesn't like people not having inspections and 
>>>>using their cars. They only gray area here is the law restricts the kind 
>>>>of driving you can do - you aren't supposed to use antique cars for 
>>>>daily transportation. It does allow you to use it for club activities, 
>>>>shows, repairs and "pleasure drives". Unfortunately it doesn't define
>>>>  "pleasure drives" anywhere.  The state police officer said because of 
>>>> that I could drive it pretty much how I wanted.  The sheriff's deputy 
>>>> thought it meant I can't even stop for a bite to eat if I'm on a 
>>>> pleasure drive.
>>>>
>>>>I ended up not getting a ticket, which I almost wish I had got so we 
>>>>could settle this thing.  I don't know what to do.  At the end of it all 
>>>>he was shaking my hand, tellng me I was a good guy, congradulating me on 
>>>>informing myself on the laws and offering to take me out for coffee the 
>>>>next time we met.  I'm quite the diplomat I guess.  The allows me to 
>>>>drive my car the way I have been driving but this guy doesn't like that. 
>>>>I'm tempted to get a sticker just to get this guy off my back but I'm 
>>>>still young enough to want to fight for principle!!!  Dammit.
>>>>
>>>>BTW, he did talk to me about the Bible and God and the commandments and 
>>>>stuff.  It turns out we're not human beings having a spiritual 
>>>>experience, we're spiritual beings having a human experience.  He's very 
>>>>knowledgible on holy things this guy.  I got a less of it this time than 
>>>>the last time he pulled me over.  It still aint right though.
>>>>
>>>>Sorry for the long post but you guys are the only ones who would 
>>>>understand my dilema.
>>>>
>>>>mike
>>>>
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