<VV> Re: wheel bearings, what grease and other ? (Larry Forman)
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Wed May 18 00:27:13 EDT 2005
I've done about seven or eight and about half of them leaked.
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> 1. alright someone answer my ? about wheel bearings (Vairdad at aol.com)
> 2. Re: Collector Plates - sort of Corvair (Tim Verthein)
> 3. Re: Crank Nitriding/Engine case question Question (Roger Gault)
> 4. Re: Collector Plates (Alan and Clare Wesson)
> 5. Vendor Salute (Tim Verthein)
> 6. Re: wheel bearings, what grease and other ? (Larry Forman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:22:58 EDT
> From: Vairdad at aol.com
> Subject: <VV> alright someone answer my ? about wheel bearings
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> Thank you
> Garland
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:31:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer at yahoo.com>
> Subject: <VV> Re: Collector Plates - sort of Corvair
> To: Dave Keillor <dkeillor at ultrex.com>, virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> Actually, the law requires one plate for a car with various collector
> plates, or even it's it's only ELIGIBLE for collector plates, but has
> regular plates. I've had year of orgin plates on my Edsel for 8 years
> with no problem, with one plate on the back. This according to the
> local DMV and MSRA inspectors.....part of the statute follows:
>
> (d) If the vehicle is (1) a collector's vehicle with a pioneer, classic
> car, collector, or street rod license; (2) a vehicle that meets the
> requirements of a pioneer, classic, or street rod vehicle except that
> the vehicle is used for general transportation purposes; or (3) a
> vehicle that is of model year 1972 or earlier, not registered under
> section 168.10, subdivision 1c, and is used for general transportation
> purposes, one plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle, or
> one plate on the front and one on the rear, at the discretion of the
> owner.
>
> Tim
>
> --- Dave Keillor <dkeillor at ultrex.com> wrote:
> > A major issue here in Rochester, Minnesota is being a kid. My
> > grandson had
> > a 67 Pontiac Tempest for which the DMV gave him only one plate. He
> > was
> > always getting stopped for no front plate. His grandmother (my
> > wife), on
> > the other hand, has never had a front plate on her Miata, and has
> > never
> > gotten a ticket or a warning for it -- even after being stopped for
> > speeding
> > (she doesn't usually get a ticket, then, either). He had the same
> > problem
> > with his blue dots and ended up taking them out.
> >
> > My '66 Corvair and my wife's '73 Nova both have year-of-origin plates
> > and
> > I've been tailed while cruising at night, but the cop has always
> > broken it
> > off when he/she saw I was an old geezer. Technically, however, in
> > Minnesota
> > year-of-origin plates have to be displayed on front and rear, but not
> > collector plates or regular plates. Is it any wonder the cops can't
> > keep it
> > all straight and just target the "trouble makers".
> >
> > Dave Keillor
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Verthein [mailto:minoxphotographer at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:00 PM
> > To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> > Subject: <VV> Re: VA antique vehicle plates-minimal Corvair
> >
> >
> > This talk about the police not being aware of the law has haunted us
> > here in Minnesota as well. Two examples come to mind, one we have
> > first hand experience with. State law allows 'blue dot" tail light
> > lenses on collectors cars, cars eligible to be registered as
> > collector
> > cars, etc. My son Ryan had a 1949 Chevrolet with blue dots. He got
> > pulled over and picked on a bit by the local cop (we live in a town
> > of
> > 600 people). no ticket, but he told him he'd better get rid of those
> > illegal tail lights.Ryan trie dto explain they WERE legal on his car,
> > but the cop would not believe it. I know the police chief a bit, so
> > I
> > wrote a very polite letter to him, with a copy of the Minnesota state
> > statute allowing blue dots. And know what? Ryan got stopped again,
> > hassled again, but no ticket. Before I bothered persuing it any
> > further, he sold that car and bought his Corvair.
> >
> > I've been thinking about putting blue dots on MY Corvair just until I
> > can manage to get him to pull ME over, insist he give me a ticket, so
> > I
> > can go to court. This is one of the laws that the Minnesota Street
> > Rod
> > Association fought for, along with the one license plate exemption
> > (collector cars, cars eligible to be, etc.. only need a rear plate),
> > AND the exemption to be able to buy non-alchohol gas for old cars.
> > Everyone else HAS to buy gasohol (10% right now, but they're lobbying
> > to make it 20% soon). The MSRA urges everyone to carry a copy of the
> > statue in their cars.
> >
> > The police chief claimed it's nearly impossible for a local cop to
> > keep
> > all the laws straight. Kinda like how the IRS can't understand it's
> > own
> > rules, but enforces them anyway.
> >
> > Just another one for the books.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> > ===
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> > But you still don't want to get any on you.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:49:49 -0500
> From: "Roger Gault" <r.gault at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Crank Nitriding/Engine case question Question
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> Chris,
> The early block questions have already been answered. It's almost certainly
> cheaper to buy a block off e-bay or one of the used vendors or from one of
> the guys on this list.
>
> As for the nitriding discussion you found, I'm not impressed.
>
> Nitriding is not done to our cranks for wear resistance. If you load the
> bearings enough to fail the oil film and have actual metal-to-metal contact,
> or have rocks in the oil that bridge the gap, nitriding is not going to
> help. MAYBE the added hardness helps at startup, when there is no oil film.
>
> Nitriding is done to put the surface in compression. In order for a fatigue
> crack to start, it must get the surface into tension. Bending forces on the
> crank can do that. If the surface is nitrided, there is a built-in
> compression which must be overcome before the surface goes into tension.
> So, the nitriding reduces cracking.
>
> By the way, "increasing the Rockwell" does not increase the stiffness of the
> crank. It does increase the yield and fatigue strength, but at some point
> the crank becomes brittle and will fail from shock loads. This is a fine
> line to be walking.
>
> The best of all worlds is probably to harden the crank up to the maximum
> save level, and then nitride it. I suspect this is pretty much what GM
> thought they were doing.
>
> Roger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris" <joeaverage at earthlink.net>
> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:35 AM
> Subject: <VV> Crank Nitriding/Engine case question Question
>
>
> > Coming out of Lurk Mode for a moment...
> >
> > Considering building a 140 HP EFI in the next year or two and have a
> couple questions. I want to use parts I already have on hand. Collecitng
> info and pieces for now.
> >
> > 1st question: have an EM truck engine. Can I use the block? What changes
> are necessary?
> >
> > 2nd question: what is the difference between the 110 HP and 140 HP crank
> besides nitriding? I was looking over some tech info for VWs and saw this
> article:
> >
> > http://www.geneberg.com/article.php?ArticleID=202
> >
> > "Now that our connection in Sweden has past, we have sought out a new
> source for crank forgings. We found a forging company in the USA that can do
> the job. We have redesigned our crank to be stronger than before. We have
> found that the forging itself was excellent, however, the Nitriding process
> of the crank created sort of an eggshell effect. The Nitriding was done to
> help with wear resistance on the journals themselves not necessarily for the
> strength of the crank. This problem showed itself with the cranks getting a
> crack in the journal radius and eventually would work itself into the center
> of the forging.
> >
> > The first time the crank bent it would crack -- not good. So, after some
> research we found that by bringing up the core Rockwell and eliminating the
> nitride we got the best of both worlds; not a soft core with a hard shell
> covering it, but a harder core with enough hardness to prevent premature
> wear on the journals. This took some researching to get the right core
> strength without making the forging brittle, however, the wearability on the
> journals suffered slightly. Now, after 100,000 miles the journals will
> probably need regrinding unlike in the past where most of the time it just
> needed a polish."
> >
> > Sound accurate?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Chris
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 23:58:26 +0100
> From: "Alan and Clare Wesson" <alan.wesson at atlas.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Collector Plates
> To: "Dave Keillor" <dkeillor at ultrex.com>, "'Tim Verthein'"
> <minoxphotographer at yahoo.com>, <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
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> >A major issue here in Rochester, Minnesota is being a kid. My grandson had
> > a 67 Pontiac Tempest for which the DMV gave him only one plate. He was
> > always getting stopped for no front plate.
>
> I am told that in North Carolina there is an offence called DWB (driving
> while black). I think that is symptomatic of the same kind of attitude on
> the part of the police...
>
> Cheers
>
> Alan
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer at yahoo.com>
> Subject: <VV> Vendor Salute
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> I was just thinking about the different world of the Edsel driver, and
> the Corvair driver. Having been an Edsel driver for...well...since
> 1975, and a recent Corvair regular driver, I can tell you the biggest
> difference is VENDORS. I have driven my '64 everyday for the last
> month or so, and I don't worry about it, knowing darn near anything I
> may need down the road to keep it road worthy can be found. Edsel
> drivers do not have this luxury. We have no vendors. Oh, sure many of
> the mechanical parts are common with Fords, but the oddball
> parts..especially in the '58's like mine are hard to get and expensive.
> The pushbutton Teletouch transmission shifter is hell if it breaks.
> The Treadle-Vac brake booster is a nightmare and expensive to rebuild.
> These things gotta work if you're gonna drive it. Mine presently has
> the power steering disconnected because the pump and control cylinders
> are shot and leak a fill of fluid in a half day driving. They can be
> rebuilt, but it's expensive and time consuming.
>
> I have had a lot more attention driving the Corvair than the Edsel..of
> course the 'Vair is bright yellow! It's like everywhere I go people
> stop to talk about it. To the point where when I was at the bank last
> week talking to an officer (away from the tellers) a guy came in and
> was pestering the teller about who the Corvair belongs to..as he went
> into his diatribe about them. I didn't fess up, selecting peace and
> quiet.
>
> The Edsel club people are a totally different breed to. mostly a LOT
> older than Corvair people (maybe an obvious observation) and mostly all
> consider it blasphemy to do anything to your car that's not original.
> Preserve them, don't turn them into rolling abortions (yes, they
> actually say that). The NATIONAL Edsel convention last summer drew
> about 50 cars, very few with any mods, and lots of grey hair, plaid
> pants, and pocket protectors. Lots of nice guys, just don't get caught
> with the wrong air cleaner on your car, and this ain't Concours gang.
>
> I have found the Corvair world to be a real breath of fresh air that
> has really rekindled my interest in things automotive.
>
> So, damn it, LOVE those vendors, this would be a real pain in the butt
> without 'em. Edsel people are stuck with a list of people who repair
> or repro a few parts and that's about it. Sure, there are a lot more
> Corvairs on the road (although I know of 4 Edsels in my area, but only
> my son and my Corvairs).
>
> Just sharing.
>
> Tim
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:11:35 -1100
> From: "Larry Forman" <larry at forman.net>
> Subject: Re: <VV> wheel bearings, what grease and other ?
> To: Vairdad at aol.com, virtualvairs at corvair.org
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vairdad at aol.com
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Subject: <VV> wheel bearings, what grease and other ?
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:33:05 EDT
>
> >
> > When repacking rear wheel bearings on early, what is best grease and when
> > greasing does grease come out of bearing next to hub?.
> > Thanks
> > Garland
>
> Hi Garland,
> The best reference for doing this important and necessary task is the CORSA Tech
> Guide, which is complete with several pages of step by step instructions and
> details with pictures of each step. I use standard wheel bearing grease, but
> generally use EP and Synthetic, just because. I have recently taken to using a
> cartridge and a needle adapter on the pump so I can just squeeze and direct the
> needle right between the rollers, once everything has been cleaned out.
>
> No, it does not generally come out of the bearing next to the hub. I would
> certainly check from time to time just to make certain you are not lubing your
> brake shoes. I have lubed several of these and have not had one leak yet.
>
> -- Larry
>
>
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