<VV> Re: Floor Pans (Kinda Long)

[Garth Stapon]

Dave:

If all that you want to do is carbon steel go ahead and buy what turns your 
crank.  If you want a lifetime welder that can do stainless aluminum and 
carbon steel you need to spend some money.

As with many items, you get what you pay for.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Ziegler" <dziegler3 at comcast.net>
To: "Garth Stapon" <stapon1 at earthlink.net>
Cc: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>; <mhicks130 at cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: <VV> Re: Floor Pans (Kinda Long)


> $1500?????  See my previous post.
>
> Dave.. .
>
> On Jun 2, 2005, at 10:39 AM, Garth Stapon wrote:
>
>> Plan on spending at least $ 1,500 for an entry level unit.
>>
>> Personally, I would take the leap with both feet and buy one that offers 
>> pulsed capabilities for close to 3 k.  This makes it ideally suited for 
>> stainless, aluminum and carbon steel.
>>
>> I can send information on entry level units if you e mail me off line.
>>
>> Regards, Garth
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <mhicks130 at cox.net>
>> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: <VV> Re: Floor Pans (Kinda Long)
>>
>>
>>> I'm not trying to be a smartass here or cause more trouble but it seems 
>>> a little unfair to me list out all the correct tools and parts for a 
>>> proper rivet job and then say "just use a $200 MIG welder".  It sounds a 
>>> little apples to oranges to me.  Everyone I've talked to says those $200 
>>> MIG welders are near useless because they have a duty cycle time of 
>>> miliseconds.  How much is a proper MIG setup? AND how much are the 
>>> necessary supplies and accessories.
>>>
>>> I'd love to hear that the cheap MIGs are good - then I might get one and 
>>> start welding everything in sight!!!
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>>> For those of you that are discussing rivet installation of floor pans, 
>>> please
>>> allow me to shed some light on the process:
>>>
>>> <SNIP>
>>>
>>> Here's a list of tools you'll need:
>>> Air Compressor
>>> Air Hoses
>>> Drill
>>> Drill bits (Number sizes not fractional)
>>> Center punch (perferably an automatic type)
>>> Drill guide
>>> Clecos (probably around a hundred of the correct size)
>>> Cleco pliers
>>> De-burring tools
>>> Countersink
>>> Countersink stop (adjustable drill stop)
>>> putty knife
>>> Panel adhesive gun
>>> Rivet gun
>>> Bucking bar
>>> File(s)
>>> Sheetmetal shears
>>> Hearing protection
>>> Safety glasses
>>> Rags
>>> Lights, Lots of lights and even more lights (to see where you are 
>>> working)
>>>
>>> <SNIP>
>>>
>>> If it were me, I'd purchase a wire feed welder or MIG. Harbor Freight
>>> sells one for about $200 bucks.
>>>
>>> <SNIP>
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