He was telling us how much better WCUH was then TLH. it was painful for him to talk about TLH. Stan (back west) East --------original message------------- From: "Rick & Janet Norris" <rickjanet at charter.net> What I want to know is, was UltraMatt eating a lemon or did he back in to a door knob???? GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG The Lone Haranguer