That's why my wife in an autocross car looks slow, but is fast!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Padgett" <pp2 at 6007.us> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:12 AM Subject: Re: <VV> Ackerman snip....................> BTW: what looks fast with arms and elbows flying and large slip angles, > usually isn't. > > Padgett