<VV> Re: rejection and alternate archive

[J R Read_HML]

So, it is your intention to split the community?  That is what it sounds 
like in that message.

Why?

Change is not necessarily always a good thing.

Valuable things can be passed both ways - young to old and old to young. 
Why attempt to put them in separate "camps"?

Earlier you posted a pic and a link.  The link took me to the alternative 
(CorvairClub or whatever it is called) site where I could not view without 
registering.  Since I already participate in a couple of VV type exchange 
locations, I did not do so and was unable to view.  Why could the pic not 
have been posted (as is common practice on VV) to a location which was open 
to all without registration?  It came across (to me anyway) as a way to 
force up the count of registered users at the "alternative" location.  Left 
a bad taste in the craw.

What is the purpose of creating a competition between VV and yourself?  If 
you truly do have a "better mousetrap", why not find a way to meld it with 
the existing arrangement - evolution rather than revolution?  Perhaps 
registration on VV would automatically provide access?  I don't know if that 
can be done, but it would serve to keep the VV community together and still 
offer alternative search capabilities for those who wish to utilize them.

"Natural progression - change" and Re-invention are not the same thing.

Joe, I believe that if you will do a search (either place) on forum VS 
email, you will find that the topic has surfaced a number of times over the 
years.  Each time, the majority (well at least the vocal ones) seemed to 
prefer email over forum.

Attachments (if any) are scanned with anti-virus software.

Later, JR
'61 Rampside Standard 4/110
'65 Monza Convertible 4/140 (times 2)
'66 beater Coupe - icemobile 4/140


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe West" <joew at diveaz.com>
To: "J R Read_HML" <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>; "Rick Loving" 
<ral1963 at comcast.net>; "'Harry Jensen, CORSA Executive Secretary'" 
<corsa at corvair.org>
Cc: "VV" <VirtualVairs at corvair.org>; "'Mike McGowan'" <mcvair at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: rejection and alternate archive


> Hi JR,
>
> What is lost on VV will likely be gained on virtualcorvairclub.com; the 
> net
> effect is simply one of relocation and not "loss".
>
> It is the natural progression of things... change.  I suspect what we will
> find is simply a younger group of people who prefer a forum format, and an
> older group of people that prefer email.
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
> On 8/8/05 6:32 PM, "J R Read_HML" <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>
>> To my way of thinking when the answer to 99.9% of the questions becomes - 
>> go
>> read the archives, the social aspect (which is a significant part of VV)
>> will likely become lost.  I would be sorry to see that happen.
>>
>> Nothing against Joe or his efforts (which apparently are significant).  I
>> just hope that unexpected and/or unintended results do not end up causing 
>> a
>> demise or significant reduction in/to the VV group.
>>
>> Attachments (if any) are scanned with anti-virus software.
>>
>> Later, JR
>> '61 Rampside Standard 4/110
>> '65 Monza Convertible 4/140 (times 2)
>> '66 beater Coupe - icemobile 4/140
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rick Loving" <ral1963 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'Joe West'" <joew at diveaz.com>; "'Harry Jensen, CORSA Executive
>> Secretary'" <corsa at corvair.org>
>> Cc: "'VV'" <VirtualVairs at corvair.org>; "'Mike McGowan'"
>> <mcvair at sbcglobal.net>
>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 4:17 PM
>> Subject: RE: <VV> RE: Communique article rejection about using Corvair 
>> site
>>
>>
>>> Maybe I am alone on my thinking or others feel the same way....
>>>
>>> As it seems to me VV is an incredible source of info for vair owners to
>>> keep their cars on the road and visible to the masses.  I would also
>>> believe a great resource for recruiting new members due to the
>>> visibility on the street and the feeling that potential new
>>> member/owners have about a technical resource.
>>>
>>> VV has lost many, many, many (did I say many) very prominent Corvair
>>> personalities due to the often punishing repetition of basic questions.
>>> The Corvair Basic's manual was great step in the right direction but
>>> does not address people who haven't committed to buying it.
>>>
>>> The VirtualCorvairClub site has answered many of my basic questions
>>> before I needed to post questions (or allowed me to ask more specific
>>> and direct questions about my problem) and would be a huge benefit to
>>> those on the list.
>>>
>>> I don't see how it would infringe on VV or go against CORSA as it is a
>>> tool to promote Corvairs and the growth of the hobby.
>>>
>>> I would think that it and information about how to use it would benefit
>>> CORSA.
>>>
>>> I actually thought that is what the Communique was about.....way's to
>>> improve our cars and the grow of the hobby.
>>>
>>> Rick Loving
>>>
>>> <SNIP>
>>>
>>> Hi Harry,
>>>
>>> I feel somewhat left out because it appears your comments address every
>>> issue but mine.  Just curious why that is?
>>>
>>> Based on your comments below, I would have expected my offer to submit a
>>> tutorial on how to use the virtual vairs archive on
>>> http://www.virtualcorvairclub.com
>>>
>>> virtualcorvairclub.com is a private, not-for-profit endeavor that hasn't
>>> had
>>> a single donation to even cover expenses... it certainly cannot be
>>> considered commercial.
>>>
>>> Does learning to use a search engine on a Corvair specific database that
>>> will soon reach 300,000 entries have no "redeeming value to our members"
>>> or
>>> is it that CORSA fears such an article will simply be promoting a
>>> product?
>>>
>>> Can you help me understand why my idea for an article in the Communique
>>> was
>>> rejected?
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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