<VV> Uh, You want Rice with that?

[airvair]

Ok, so how does the 440 6-pack compare with a 426 Hemi, same car
otherwise?

-Mark

Tony wrote:
> 
> At 1645 05/14/2004 -0400, Sethracer@aol.com wrote:
> >In a message dated 5/14/04 10:51:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ronh@owt.com
> >writes:
> >If you want to go FAST, get a Japanese car, Mazda RX, Toyota Supra or
> >something like that.  Your "fast" Corvair will be left in the exhaust of
> >these cars.  IMHO
> >RonH
> >
> >Well - The last time I competed in a Corvair against a Toyota Supra was in
> >SCCA E/SP autocross. I waxed this guy all year long. At the end of the year,
> the
> >guy asked me to drive his car to find out why - We used a G-Analyst and
> >traced both of our drives. He car pulled better acceleration than the Corvair
> but
> >the Corvair could brake later, corner at a higher G and get on the gas
> sooner
> >than the Supra. (Same driver) So, if you want to run stoplight to
> stoplight -
> >Fast and Furious style, get an older Rear wheel drive Ricer rocket.  Or a
> >Camaro! (Hee Hee!) - Seth Emerson
> 
> Or, if you wanna play hardball, get yourself a tweaked 440-6pk Mopar E-body
> (Challenge/Cuda) with some serious tires in back.   Go looking for ricer
> meat.
> Eat hearty.  Collect streetcorner bucks, go hope grinning.
> 
> I have a video clip of a street-race grudge match between a Porsche 911 TT and
> a Dodge Challenger, the result of an argument between a Porsche owner who
> thought his tweaked twin turbo 911 would outrun any American iron that was
> brought out to face it.
> 
> A guy with a modified bigblock Challenger took him up on it and cleaned his
> clock in a big big way.   The Challenger sounded like roaring death from On
> High coming off the line, left the Porsche in the dust.    It goes to show
> that
> checkbook performance via worship of the movie version of what's envisioned to
> be a shake & bake fast car is not the end-all answer to backyard ingenuity and
> simple cubic inch muscle.
> 
> A lot of people seem to forget that in spite of the rice tech and the money
> spent and the egos fed by oohs and ahhhs and the movies featuring Japanese
> weedeater sounding FWD racer-wannabe dayglow plasticized ground-f/x'ed
> buzzboxes, there remains the fact that the late 1960s-early '70s produced some
> cars that were capable of performance that todays imports can only fantasize
> about.   And, they did it with relatively low tech and low cost... their only
> problem was getting the power transmitted to the ground.   Be it rice or
> German
> technorockets, if you put some tires on those old US made musclecars of the
> '60s and tweak them a bit, there's not a lot of cars anywhere today that will
> outrun them.
> 
> Today, a bone stock hp 440 powered Challenger in good tune, with modern tire
> technology to help it, can turn a 1/4 mile in the mid 12's.  This has been
> verified at several different events where factory stock show vehicles were
> given a chance to show their stuff.   With some basic bolt-on performance mods
> to the engine and some traction aids etc that Challenger starts knocking
> loudly
> on 11's door.   This car would also likely idle at 1000 rpm and be docile
> enough to go grocery shopping and not frighten the middle-aged female
> patrons.   It would get questionable mileage and insurance would not be cheap
> unless it was insured as an antique etc but it would sure as Hell be a fun
> ride.
> 
> Now:   Which would be best to do...?
> 
> Spend 10k on a decent quality daily driver class tweaked 440 Magnum Dodge
> Challenger or spend 30k on a mortified high tech Japanese ricerocket... in
> order to turn a quarter mile in less than 13 seconds?   Or go all out and
> spend
> 60k on the Porsche (and get beat by the Dodge anyway)...?
> 
> Or, spend 5k on a nice tweaked out Vair and have as much fun and get more
> appreciation than either the ricer or the Porsche would get...?
> 
> (of course the Challenger in the garage for alternating weekends would be nice
> too)
> 
> I'm still a bit put asunder at how because of a couple of movies with a
> pack of
> ricers going quick hit theaters, the neo-streetracers seem to think the only
> way to go quick is with imported buzztech.
> 
> tony..