In a message dated 5/9/2004 7:27:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ddpleau@earthlink.net writes: I used the Deck Rug special Ultra method listed below. I put the car in 4th and started rocking it, on the second time backwards, it just kept rolling. ****************************************************** AH! SMART people always use the Deckrug's Ultra methods 1st..........gggggggggg Deck