<VV> Re: 140 Vs 180

[Eric S. Eberhard]

Wow!  You must have driven some bad turbos.  Mine is a stock 62 and is a 
joy to drive.  It gets boost in every gear ... but more as the gears and 
revs go up.  Throttle response and torque are excellent.  I have had 
several LM turbos and they indeed had much more turbo lag, but still 
fun.  I don't know if they were not set up properly or if the bigger engine 
has more lag (mine is the smaller 145 ci engine).  I did not keep them all 
that long because I found this 62 Spyder and it was so good I could not 
pass it up.

If you are ever in AZ drop by and try my Spyder!

Oh, when I say stock, it is except for significant ignition improvements 
which help driveability a lot.

But your answer applies to "fun" --> some people think turbo lag with that 
extra boost at higher rpm is fun, some do not.  The question was 
"driveability" and my opinion is that a 2 carb is the most driveable and 
the turbo the least ... based upon how much fiddling I have to do on my 
cars.  The 102 even with the Judson seems less persnickety than the Spyder.


At 06:33 AM 6/9/2004, vairologist@juno.com wrote:
>Bruce Wrote
> > Bob,
> > I just have to disagree with you on this. I've never owned a turbo
> > and  wouldn't want a stock one. I've driven some and had friends that
>had
> > them. I just don't care for a turbo. In stock form they have poor
> > throttle response. They take forever to make any power. You
> > generally  have to be in third gear before they get up some boost and
>start to
> >  run. If you modify them so they perform well, you have to be careful
> > or  you'll have so much detonation you'll destroy them. Certainly a
> > properly built turbo can be a blast on the street, but the stock
> > ones  I've driven about put me to sleep.
>------------------------------------------
>Smitty says:  Got too many apples in your orange sack Bruce.  Knowing
>your bent toward performance I can see how you would feel the way you do.
>  I think the issue is which engine is most pleasant to live with in a
>stock configuration.  As you say, once everything is correct the 140 is
>relatively trouble free.  Same can be said for turbos.  The nasty little
>accel pump on a turbo is a problem but by the time it fails I will bet
>that the 140 owner will be back to messing with his linkage again.
>Otherwise the turbo is perfectly happy torquing along at 800 rpm in high
>and still has can provide lots of fun when required.
>         Are you driving a stock 140?  I doubt it.  Because of that I
>figure it is OK to compare non-stock to non-stock.  It really isn't that
>hard to improve performance with a turbo.  You don't have to get inside
>and mill chambers or relieve ports or anything else.  I have a stock
>Spyder I drove as a work car for years and years.  I'm leaving it alone.
>I love it the way it is.  My performance car starts boost at 2000 in low
>and almost doesn't quit on the 1-2 shift.  It is gated at 5 psi on the
>street only because I am insane when challenged by a Ricer and wouldn't
>have enough sense to back out of it with poor fuel aboard.  I do not run
>the Safeguard on the street.  I promise you that with only 5 psi it will
>perform with a 140.  Comes track time, the spring on the gate gets
>changed, the Safeguard goes in and we shall see what we shall see.
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