<VV> Ignition upgrades
Ron F Hinz
ronh@owt.com
Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:51:35 -0700
$6.81 a plug!!! I can run my vairs for years on $1.29 plugs and without a
miss. I suppose they are good for talking, however.
RonH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric S. Eberhard" <flash@vicspdi.com>
To: "Patten Del R Civ AFRL Det 8/PKMA" <del.patten@kirtland.af.mil>
Cc: <virtualvairs@corvair.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 10:17 AM
Subject: RE: <VV> Ignition upgrades
> The Silverstones are "6s"from http://www.PerformanceDepot.com and their
> full description is:
>
> MFG: Nology
> >PRODUCT NUMBER: 120001050
> >DESCRIPTION: Silverstone S6 - 14mm, 1/2 Reach, Gasket, 13/16 Hex
> >(Non-Resistor)
>
> I have earlies. On the driver side rear fender is a brace that holds the
> fender to the body. I fashioned (from bolt stock) two "U" bolts that I
> then wrapped around the brace and through the holes in the MSD and bolted
> down tight. The power lead I ran under the flashing for the shrouds over
> to the hot lead on the starter. The ground was attached by removing the
> stock ground stud and attaching to the inside of that stud (I shortened
the
> wire). The ground has to be attached before bolting up the MSD. I then
> ran the MSD wires under the flashing in the rear of the shrouding and
> popped them out just below the coil in a hole that was already there. The
> wires had to be extended a foot or two and I followed MSD instructions and
> went up one size in gauge. They are well wrapped in tape to prevent
chaffing.
>
> The only thing I could not hide was all the extra wires. One note on the
> tach --> it is not obvious but it does not hook to the coil, it hooks to
> the same lead from the Pertronix that used to go to the coil. The tach
> works perfectly (MSD has lots of warnings re: tachs not working and even
> has a tach output terminal --> ignore it all!).
>
> I also left the loop connectors on the Pertronix and made loop connectors
> on the MSD wires and screwed them together to make the connection. This
> allows me to re-wire as stock fairly easily (bypassing the MSD) and also
> allows me to replace the Pertronix easily with points if I need to.
>
> Another non-obvious thing, the MSD has wires for electronic pickup and for
> points ... use the ones for points, electronic pickup is for cars w/out a
> distributor. There is actually (on the last page) a diagram for hooking
to
> a Pertronix.
>
> At 09:24 AM 7/6/2004, Patten Del R Civ AFRL Det 8/PKMA wrote:
> > OK Eric...I'll ask for more info!! Especially on the hiding
everything
> >part...I have done 1-3 but am interested for sure in 5...Never have heard
of
> >the Silverstones...is there a plug number I can ask for and a particular
> >FLAPS that carries them?? Thanks...
> >
> > Del Patten...CNM
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: virtualvairs-admin@corvair.org
> >[mailto:virtualvairs-admin@corvair.org]On Behalf Of Eric S. Eberhard
> >Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 6:33 PM
> >To: David Baker
> >Cc: virtualvairs@corvair.org
> >Subject: <VV> Ignition upgrades
> >
> >
> >1) 8mm spark plug wires
> >2) Pertronix II electronic ignition
> >3) Pertronix II Flame thrower Coil
> >4) Silverstone spark plugs
> >5) MSD 6a capacitive discharge ignition module
> >
> >1,2,3 are the minimum I would do an this yields significant improvement
as
> >well as avoiding the need to adjust points. However, I have had one fail
> >over the years (I have 2 now both set up the same with all 5 above). I
> >keep the original points plate with points properly gapped in the trunk.
I
> >also wire the MSD and Pertronix such that I can swith to points or bypass
> >the MSD w/out problems (never had an MSD go bad). I do this by using
> >screwed junctions rather than blade connectors. Feel free to call if you
> >want more detail.
> >
> >The Silverstone plugs are neat but I cannot prove much except they do
> >resist fouling well. They are "old fashioned" in one way --> they look
> >dimensionally exactly like a 44f and even have copper gaskets. However,
> >they are constructed of silver which in theory conducts electricity
better
> >than platinum.
> >
> >So with 1-4 you have a car much easier to keep in tune and which can
> >compensate a bit for worn distributor and other not so new parts. It
does
> >not change the way it drives all that much (maybe a bit smoother).
> >
> >The MSD is expensive and a pain to hide and some trouble added to the
> >wiring (about 150 bucks). If you really want to do both then I would
> >suggest doing all at one time. This unit gives tremendous benefit! It
> >sparks 3 times per piston stroke at low rpm and tapers of at high rpm.
It
> >also gives a stronger spark. What this means is that much changes in the
> >way the car drives: it starts MUCH easier, especially when cold. It
idles
> >more smoothly and runs without sputtering, again mostly when cold. It
revs
> >at the very top a bit smoother, even hot. It allows me to run a bit
richer
> >which in theory is cooler and has more power.
> >
> >Again, if you call or keep emailing I can provide more info including a
> >great way to hide the MSD and wiring and so forth.
> >
> >Good luck!
> >
> >
> >
> >At 06:09 PM 7/2/2004, David Baker wrote:
> > >Eric,
> > >
> > >Recently on Virtual Vairs you posted this regarding your '62
> > >Spyder: "Oh, when I say stock, it is except for significant
> > >ignition improvements which help driveability a lot."
> > >
> > >Could you elaborate on what ignition improvements you made? I
> > >have a '64 Spyder, and would like to know what you did. Thanks.
> > >
> > >Dave Baker
> > >
> > >
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