<VV> eBay Feedback - is it about the product or how fast someone ships or pays ? Tell me about the product !

[Charles Lee]

Notice that eBay makes you feel downright evil if you try to leave even
"Neutral" feedback, and warns you that it can't be retracted, etc.

They don't warn you about the evils of leaving undeserved "Positive"
feedback that misleads the next potential customer.

Many people leave undeserved "Positive" feedback because they don't want to
say anything bad, and so they want to find something nice to say.

Buyers and sellers alike leave feedback like "Fast Shipper" which I suppose
is important, but what about the actual product ?????  Was it any good.

Try emailing the customers from the seller's feedback list and ask them
their honest opinion.  I have done this and found that some actually hated
the product but didn't want to say so because they were too nice to leave
"Negative" feedback !  These are nice people who are OK in that respect, but
who mislead future customers.

Remember that you can respond to feedback and make excuses for their
"Negative" feedback

Also, even getting someone to retract "Negative" feedback does no good
because the "Negative" feedback is still there for everyone to see, but it
just says "retracted" !  Big help that is !

Soooo, just venting, - eBay will get away with it until someone else
competes with them, and they have to change - profit is their only
incentive.

Happy Corvairs to you,
Chaz



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric S. Eberhard" <flash@vicspdi.com>
To: "corvairs" <lonwall@corvairunderground.com>; "Mike Kost"
<vairmike@sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "F P" <flat6s@yahoo.com>; <virtualvairs@corvair.org>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: <VV> eBay Auction, Shipping to Canada/ebay


> 1) The higher the feedback number the better
> 2) The "percentage" is even more important
> 3) Check if it based upon SALES and not buying
> 4) Feel better if they take paypal or credit cards
>
> If a seller has a rating of 5,000 with 100% positive feedback all for
> sales, you can be pretty sure they are safe.
>
> If a seller has a rating of 5,000 with 92% positive feedback, BEWARE.
>
> If a seller has a rating of 5,000 with 100% feedback and you look at the
> detail and it is all purchases be careful.
>
> paypal and credit card companies have anti-fraud measures and some ways of
> retaliating.  On a non-ebay mail order sale where I got ripped off I was
> able to call the credit card company and cancel the payment.  Yes, a month
> of hassle went by, but in the end I got my money.  If they only take
> cash-type forms of payment, be careful.
>
> I have found that if you email the seller and ask a question -- and for
> expensive items, do it more than once -- you can get a good idea.  Abrupt,
> rude answers, or no answer at all or inaccurate answers usually means to
> avoid the seller.
>
>
>
> At 01:30 PM 8/27/2004, corvairs wrote:
> >This hasn't happened with our Corvair experiences but Linda does a lot of
> >buying on ebay with her collectibles and it's a vicious jungle. Anyone
who
> >thinks that the simple platitudes about "feedback" "legal
> >contracts"  "self policing" etc etc hold any water had better think
twice.
> >She has been reported for fraud (and shut down twice for over a week
each)
> >because she refused to pay a seller twice or three times. Each time the
> >seller refused to deliver, claiming they didn't get thier money. Linda
had
> >paid once and received nothing so she sent another payment (took the
> >seller's word that it had been "lost"). Seller still claimed it hadn't
> >been received  herein Linda reported them to ebay wherein they filed a
> >fraud complaint which shut HER down. While she was shut down she couldn't
> >conduct any business or pursue the crooked seller. After hours and days
of
> >fooling around with ebay management she was reinstated, the seller cashed
> >both checks sent nothing and is now probably logged in under a different
> >name (REAL easy to do).
> >
> >There are many other horror stories but the gist is when these crooks get
> >to know how ebay works real well they get away with murder. Lon
> >
> >Mike Kost wrote:
> >
> >>The last thing I bought on E-Bay I left a neutral feedback and the
seller
> >>retaliated and left a negative feedback on me. After that experience I
am
> >>tempted to not leave any feedback unless the service is either extremely
> >>outstanding or so horrible to border on fraud.
> >>
> >>F P wrote:
> >>
> >>>Even if the seller leaves negative feedback and it is justified, some
> >>>bidders will retaliate and leave negative feedback out of spite.
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