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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>dme- if you look at past convention schedules (and
this yet to happen schedule which you have not seen) you will see we do know
that different groups have different requirements; that's why a small group like
the oil filter collectors has 60 minutes scheduled, and the larger groups have
90. the SCG is a new group and will have it's first scheduled meeting at
this convention. we alloted the longer time slot for it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>the bigger issue is where to put any other
additional meetings. unless we move some to a 10pm start time, or onto tuesday,
there's no where else to go without walking other convention
events.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>larry</FONT> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=dellis1@rochester.rr.com href="mailto:dellis1@rochester.rr.com">Dave
Ellis</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mr.vair@urbancom.net
href="mailto:mr.vair@urbancom.net">Larry Claypool</A> ; <A
title=hljensen@comcast.net
href="mailto:hljensen@comcast.net">hljensen@comcast.net</A> ; <A
title=sarahvair@juno.com
href="mailto:sarahvair@juno.com">sarahvair@juno.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=SGEAST@INTERLOG.COM
href="mailto:SGEAST@INTERLOG.COM">Stan East</A> ; <A title=NJDL@SYMPATICO.CA
href="mailto:NJDL@SYMPATICO.CA">Jim Diell</A> ; <A title=cfacklam@adelphia.net
href="mailto:cfacklam@adelphia.net">Chuck Facklmam</A> ; <A
title=mandolin@rochester.rr.com href="mailto:mandolin@rochester.rr.com">SAM
ANDOLINA</A> ; <A title=Richmarymcclive@aol.com
href="mailto:Richmarymcclive@aol.com">Rich McClive</A> ; <A
title=KB2HBA@twcny.rr.com href="mailto:KB2HBA@twcny.rr.com">David Robinson</A>
; <A title=chuckflo2@cs.com href="mailto:chuckflo2@cs.com">Chuck Littman</A> ;
<A title=flamingofarm@earthlink.net
href="mailto:flamingofarm@earthlink.net">Jeff Clark</A> ; <A
title=scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com
href="mailto:scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com">scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com</A> ; <A
title=chevrobilia@juno.com href="mailto:chevrobilia@juno.com">"Dave
Newell"</A> ; <A title=chelvis@camano.net
href="mailto:chelvis@camano.net">"Bill Chellis"</A> ; <A
title=kentsu@corvairkid.com href="mailto:kentsu@corvairkid.com">"Kent
Sullivan"</A> ; <A title=richard.w.thompson@usa.dupont.com
href="mailto:richard.w.thompson@usa.dupont.com">"Rich Thompson"</A> ; <A
title=airvair@richnet.net
href="mailto:airvair@richnet.net">airvair@richnet.net</A> ; <A
title=corsabod@corvair.org href="mailto:corsabod@corvair.org">"CORSA/CPF
BoD"</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:23
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: SCG meeting</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Larry.....The point I was attempting to make is
that it is not logical to presume that alllllllll Special Interest Groups have
the same requirements to meet the needs of their constituants, and by simply
dictating they all have to be treated exactly the same is simplistic and short
sighted...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>dme out....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mr.vair@urbancom.net href="mailto:mr.vair@urbancom.net">Larry
Claypool</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=dellis1@rochester.rr.com
href="mailto:dellis1@rochester.rr.com">Dave Ellis</A> ; <A
title=hljensen@comcast.net
href="mailto:hljensen@comcast.net">hljensen@comcast.net</A> ; <A
title=sarahvair@juno.com
href="mailto:sarahvair@juno.com">sarahvair@juno.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=SGEAST@INTERLOG.COM
href="mailto:SGEAST@INTERLOG.COM">Stan East</A> ; <A title=NJDL@SYMPATICO.CA
href="mailto:NJDL@SYMPATICO.CA">Jim Diell</A> ; <A
title=cfacklam@adelphia.net href="mailto:cfacklam@adelphia.net">Chuck
Facklmam</A> ; <A title=mandolin@rochester.rr.com
href="mailto:mandolin@rochester.rr.com">SAM ANDOLINA</A> ; <A
title=Richmarymcclive@aol.com href="mailto:Richmarymcclive@aol.com">Rich
McClive</A> ; <A title=KB2HBA@twcny.rr.com
href="mailto:KB2HBA@twcny.rr.com">David Robinson</A> ; <A
title=chuckflo2@cs.com href="mailto:chuckflo2@cs.com">Chuck Littman</A> ; <A
title=flamingofarm@earthlink.net
href="mailto:flamingofarm@earthlink.net">Jeff Clark</A> ; <A
title=scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com
href="mailto:scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com">scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com</A> ;
<A title=chevrobilia@juno.com href="mailto:chevrobilia@juno.com">"Dave
Newell"</A> ; <A title=chelvis@camano.net
href="mailto:chelvis@camano.net">"Bill Chellis"</A> ; <A
title=kentsu@corvairkid.com href="mailto:kentsu@corvairkid.com">"Kent
Sullivan"</A> ; <A title=richard.w.thompson@usa.dupont.com
href="mailto:richard.w.thompson@usa.dupont.com">"Rich Thompson"</A> ; <A
title=airvair@richnet.net
href="mailto:airvair@richnet.net">airvair@richnet.net</A> ; <A
title=corsabod@corvair.org href="mailto:corsabod@corvair.org">"CORSA/CPF
BoD"</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: SCG meeting</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>dme</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> so i understand you are saying it's ok to
give SCG two meetings (when this years' meeting will be their first reguarly
scheduled one) on the day and time<EM> they</EM> specify, but corvanatics,
airvairs, and virtual vairs, who have a running track record of many
conventions will simply get along with one meeting that falls into the
overall plan of the convention? just wanted to make sure i read that
correctly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>as for the " very
retrogressive concept' we have for years tried to schedule a
convention so that any person that wants to do all the corvair events -auto
x, rally, econo run, concours/car display, tech sessions, special
interst interest groups, etc. could do so; choices would have to me
made about going on tours instead of attending corvair events, but all
corvair events would be possible to attend.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>we are already compromising that by overlapping
some group meetings, so we pick the groups that have the least
commonality.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>as for scheduling the event during the
autocross, stan east specifically rejected the idea of the SCG 'event'
occuring during any other major event.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>remember also that stock class drivers (as well
as all other classes) are required to 'work' the course during another heat,
so you simply don't show up, run, then leave.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>while i realize all of us have our own
particular interests, the convention as a whole must accomodate the
diversity of intersts and groups that make up corsa. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>larry</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=dellis1@rochester.rr.com
href="mailto:dellis1@rochester.rr.com">Dave Ellis</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=hljensen@comcast.net
href="mailto:hljensen@comcast.net">hljensen@comcast.net</A> ; <A
title=sarahvair@juno.com
href="mailto:sarahvair@juno.com">sarahvair@juno.com</A> ; <A
title=mr.vair@urbancom.net href="mailto:mr.vair@urbancom.net">Larry
Claypool</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=SGEAST@INTERLOG.COM
href="mailto:SGEAST@INTERLOG.COM">Stan East</A> ; <A
title=NJDL@SYMPATICO.CA href="mailto:NJDL@SYMPATICO.CA">Jim Diell</A> ; <A
title=cfacklam@adelphia.net href="mailto:cfacklam@adelphia.net">Chuck
Facklmam</A> ; <A title=mandolin@rochester.rr.com
href="mailto:mandolin@rochester.rr.com">SAM ANDOLINA</A> ; <A
title=Richmarymcclive@aol.com href="mailto:Richmarymcclive@aol.com">Rich
McClive</A> ; <A title=KB2HBA@twcny.rr.com
href="mailto:KB2HBA@twcny.rr.com">David Robinson</A> ; <A
title=chuckflo2@cs.com href="mailto:chuckflo2@cs.com">Chuck Littman</A> ;
<A title=flamingofarm@earthlink.net
href="mailto:flamingofarm@earthlink.net">Jeff Clark</A> ; <A
title=scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com
href="mailto:scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com">scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com</A>
; <A title=chevrobilia@juno.com href="mailto:chevrobilia@juno.com">"Dave
Newell"</A> ; <A title=chelvis@camano.net
href="mailto:chelvis@camano.net">"Bill Chellis"</A> ; <A
title=kentsu@corvairkid.com href="mailto:kentsu@corvairkid.com">"Kent
Sullivan"</A> ; <A title=richard.w.thompson@usa.dupont.com
href="mailto:richard.w.thompson@usa.dupont.com">"Rich Thompson"</A> ; <A
title=airvair@richnet.net
href="mailto:airvair@richnet.net">airvair@richnet.net</A> ; <A
title=corsabod@corvair.org href="mailto:corsabod@corvair.org">"CORSA/CPF
BoD"</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 29, 2005
11:14 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: SCG meeting</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry....I now understand that we, the SCG
and the FourClubs were underinformed; and we did not realize that all the
special interest groups had to have exactly the same scheduling treatment
at the Convention.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also the same "we" were unaware that the
National Convention is not large enough in its scope that it can not have
parallel tracks in it's event structure to meet the diverse needs of its
membership...single threaded schedule hmmm....a very retrogressive
concept...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>dme out...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mr.vair@urbancom.net href="mailto:mr.vair@urbancom.net">Larry
Claypool</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=sarahvair@juno.com
href="mailto:sarahvair@juno.com">sarahvair@juno.com</A> ; <A
title=hljensen@comcast.net
href="mailto:hljensen@comcast.net">hljensen@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=corsabod@corvair.org
href="mailto:corsabod@corvair.org">"CORSA/CPF BoD"</A> ; <A
title=airvair@richnet.net
href="mailto:airvair@richnet.net">airvair@richnet.net</A> ; <A
title=richard.w.thompson@usa.dupont.com
href="mailto:richard.w.thompson@usa.dupont.com">"Rich Thompson"</A> ; <A
title=sgeast@interlog.com href="mailto:sgeast@interlog.com">"Stan
East"</A> ; <A title=mandolin@rochester.rr.com
href="mailto:mandolin@rochester.rr.com">mandolin@rochester.rr.com</A> ;
<A title=kentsu@corvairkid.com href="mailto:kentsu@corvairkid.com">"Kent
Sullivan"</A> ; <A title=dellis1@rochester.rr.com
href="mailto:dellis1@rochester.rr.com">"DaveEllis"</A> ; <A
title=chelvis@camano.net href="mailto:chelvis@camano.net">"Bill
Chellis"</A> ; <A title=chevrobilia@juno.com
href="mailto:chevrobilia@juno.com">"Dave Newell"</A> ; <A
title=scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com
href="mailto:scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com">scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 29, 2005
11:21 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> SCG meeting</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>gentlemen-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> the corsa board,
convention folks, etc are not denying the SCG a meeting; this is not a
"Corsa VS. STG". we recognize the SCG and have planned all along
to scheduled a time slot that is as long as any other special
interest group @ 90 minutes. we have additionally tried to schedule it
during daylight hours so you can opt to have your meeting outside if you
wish to do the car by car look over.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> convention scheduling is
a very difficult task. we (harry, myself, sarah, chuck, stan, and
the <FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>andolinos)sp</FONT>ent much
time trying to slot everything into the available time. we have 69
line items on this year's schedule and only 4 days to hold them all. of
particular circumstance this year is 2 major evening events, a dinner
cruise on friday and a CPF presentation (building the corvair engine) on
thursday, so we effectively "lost' two evenings where we
would normally hold some of the special interest meetings. do you want
to have a STG meeting the same time as the dinner cruise? neither does
any other group. we have in the past tried to keep all the special
interest groups in their own non conflicting meeting time, but of late,
because of the tight schedule, now have corvanatics, V8 registry, and
oil filter collectors at the same time. this year we added SCG to
the list; we had to overlap ultra van and the STG meeting to make
it all fit. our event schedule already starts at 8 am or earlier every
day and runs to 10 pm.or later, so we don't really have room to go
earlier/later in the day. do we move meetings to tuesday? nobody wants
to schedule their meeting then because it's early on and it's generally
felt not everybody will be there yet. unless we are proposing adding a
day to the convention- which is a completely different topic- we are
just flat out of time to add any more non conflicting events to the
schedule.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> announcing the STG
meeting day and time over VV before the convention schedule itself had
been worked out was premature. we don't know how the schedule for a
given convention looks until the convention committee sits down
with the local hosts and sorts one out that is the most reasonable
, non conflicting schedule we can do given the days available. i believe
we did that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> i am sorry there were
not slots available for the SCG to hold a regular chapter meeting
<STRONG><EM>AND</EM></STRONG> a SCG event in the lot without going
timewise against some other convention events. the SCG can utilize
it's scheduled time slot on thursday 3:30-5:00 PM any way you like.
and, as sarah mentioned, if at the conclusion of that meeting, if you
feel there's more to cover and want to organize an unofficial gathering
at some other time during the convention, that's ok with us- it
just won't be on the published schedule.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> in summary, i want to
restate that this whole recent SCG thread has been taking a "Corsa
VS. SCG", and that is not the case. the convention committee is
simply trying to schedule the SCG meeting- along with the 7 other
special interest groups chapters- in reasonable time slots along
with all the other many events and tours that make up a corsa
convention</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>best regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>larry claypool</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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