[SCG] Re: Application to form new Special Interest Group Chapter:
Stock Corvair Group
chevrobilia at juno.com
chevrobilia at juno.com
Mon Nov 28 21:47:41 EST 2005
Absolutely, Kent. From the CPF perspective, this is a valuable event and
has much potential for the future. Not having an SCG event is, well, a
two letter acronym with B as the first letter....
Dave
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:36:14 -0800 "Kent Sullivan"
<kentsu at corvairkid.com> writes:
> Hi,
>
> I sure hope we can work something out. It is a surprise to me that
> the
> convention committee and Sarah were not aware of the annual SCG
> event. As
> Bill detailed below, we took several steps to help ensure that
> everyone was
> up to speed and informed.
>
> This group is one of the few recent efforts in CORSA to try to spark
> a new
> type of interest in our vehicles and get some new blood involved. As
> you
> know, concours participation and stockness in general has been
> waning for
> several years. The SCG is trying to reverse that.
>
> Since Bill received the direction from Harry in Portland to work out
> the
> details of the event with the host clubs, which he did, it does not
> seem
> proper to change course now. Bill did as he was directed by a
> veteran member
> of the Convention Committee.
>
> If the event is canceled, I fear it will have major detrimental
> effects on
> the enthusiasm of those people. I doubt that is a good idea given
> the
> current membership situation.
>
> --Kent
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Hubbell [mailto:whubbell at cox.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 5:43 PM
> To: sarahvair at juno.com
> Cc: CORSA/CPF BoD; Mark Corbin; Rich Thompson; Stan East; Sam &
> Marissa
> Andolino; Kent Sullivan; Dave Ellis; Bill Chellis; Dave Newell;
> scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com
> Subject: Fw: Application to form new Special Interest Group Chapter:
> Stock
> Corvair Group
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sarahvair at juno.com
> To: whubbell at umich.edu
> Cc: sgeast at interlog.com
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:55 PM
> Subject: Annual Stock Corvair Event
>
>
> Bill,
>
> We met recently in Buffalo to go over the schedule for the
> convention.
> During this time it was brought up that you had posted a "special"
> display
> for the SCG. Harry, Larry and myself were unaware that you intended
> to do
> this and felt that our schedule is much to tight as it is.
>
> Stan then said that according to your by-laws it states you will
> have this
>
> event annually. I advised Stan that I never saw the bylaws for SCG.
> I
> thought a little bit about it and said you know, I think maybe he
> did send
> it, but I didn't really have any need to read them. Yes, when SCG
> became a
> chapter, Charlie West had the documents and forwarded them onto
> Harry.
> Charlie made his recommendation to the Board, but we don't need to
> read the
> by-laws.
>
> In my personal opinion, if a chapter or special interest group has
> a
> policy, that does not mean
> that CORSA is bound to abide by those policies. CORSA must adhere
> to its
> own policies. At the very least if you intended this to be a part
> of the
> convention, you should have run this by Larry Claypool since he is
> the
> Convention Chairman. As you know, there are P & P's for conventions
> and if
> your group wanted a designated display area, then you would need to
> address
> the convention P & P as well.
>
> That being said, we have decided there is no room on the
> convention
> schedule for a second display area. You do have a couple of
> choices. We do
>
> have an open class in the Car Display. If you'd like to have the
> cars
> displayed there, then they will be voted on and awarded awards
> accordingly.
> However, the cars will not be able to enter Concours if this is the
> case.
> The other choice is to make it part of you SCG group meeting. Meet
> inside
> and then adjourn to the parking lot, etc. If you run out of time
> you could
> decide at a later time where and when to all meet, however, the only
> time we
>
> will list in the schedule is the time pre-set for the SCG.
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
> The Annual Stock Corvair event has always been stated as part of the
> plan.
> It was carefully crafted and spelled out in all of the documents
> that were
> sent to all of the Board members, to Harry, Charlie, and to involved
> members
>
> of the club (see copy of header, below). The event was added to the
> Buffalo
>
> convention by Stan East and other members of the board of the host
> clubs,
> and arrangements for time and place were also might want to made by
> them.
> Also, I did specifically discuss the ASCE with Harry at the Portland
>
> Convention and he asked me to work out the details with the host
> clubs - he
> did not seem concerned with the details. Further, the ASCE was
> included as
> a specific event on the plan the Board was given for the Buffalo
> convention
> at the Portland Board meeting - if you still have it, you might want
> to take
>
> a look at it.
>
> I am afraid that we cannot hold the ASCE on the same day as the
> Concours and
>
> Car Display, as we specifically designed the ASCE to be held on
> another day
> so as not to compete with them and to make it possible for any car
> wishing
> to attend both to be able to do so. This is also spelled out in
> detail in
> the supporting document which were sent to all board members. We
> also made
> a point of setting it up so as not to overlap existing events.
>
> The ASCE was further mentioned in my "Directors Turn at the Wheel
> column
> which was published in the August Communiqué - which I also ran by
> the Board
>
> and by Mike and Harry.
>
> Thus, I find it a little hard to believe that you are only just now
> finding
> out about this. I also do not understand the problem, as this was
> all being
>
> worked out by members of the SCG and the hosting clubs. It has
> always been
> the plan that the ASCE would be an event run by the SCG itself, not
> by
> CORSA, but to be held at the CORSA convention.
>
> If you are telling me now that the ASCE is not gong to be held as we
> have
> planned, I think you have some explaining to do to a lot of people.
> The
> CORSA Board of Directors, given ample information and proper
> notification,
> fully supported the formation of the SCG and the ASCE. Several
> members of
> the CORSA BoD are also members of the SCG - Tony, Rich, Tim, myself,
> and
> Kent Sullivan, former Board member. Larry Claypool is a member of
> the SCG
> and has been copied on all correspondence. Many other prominent
> members of
> CORSA are also SCG members, and are expecting this event. Dave
> Ellis, Stan
> East, Marissa Andolino and many others are on the SCG committee
> which is
> coordinating this event and have been working diligently to pull it
> off.
>
> I am copying this to all the members of the SCG, including SCG
> officers and
> SCG Research team, and to the CORSA Board.
>
>
> Bill Hubbell
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Hubbell" <whubbell at cox.net>
> To: "CORSA/CPF BoD" <corsabod at corvair.org>; "Harry Jensen"
> <hljensen at comcast.net>; "Charlie West" <kandcwest at earthlink.net>
> Cc: "Doug C Barneck" <Doug.Barneck at tigta.treas.gov>; "Bill Chellis"
>
> <chelvis at camano.net>; "Bill Hubbell" <whubbell at umich.edu>; "Dave
> Newell"
> <chevrobilia at juno.com>; "Ed Bittman" <MarPack57 at aol.com>; "Henry
> Kaczmarek"
> <kaczmarek at charter.net>; "J R Read_HML" <hmlinc at sbcglobal.net>;
> "Jeff
> Schramm" <jeff.schramm at gmail.com>; "Kent Sullivan"
> <kentsu at corvairkid.com>;
> rk Corbin" <airvair at richnet.net>; "Mike Stillwell"
> <yenko117 at yahoo.com>;
> "Rich Thompson" <richard.w.thompson at usa.dupont.com>; "Robert
> Landers"
> <CorsaRob at charter.net>; "Stan East" <sgeast at interlog.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:57 PM
> Subject: Application to form new Special Interest Group Chapter:
> Stock
> Corvair Group
> (Attachments: SCG Policy on Stock Assessment Manuals.Doc; SCG Policy
> for
> Annual Stock Corvair Event.doc; SCG Newsletter policy.doc; Chapter
> Application.doc; Bylaws of Stock Corvair Group.doc; Taking
> Stock.doc)
>
> Charlie, Harry, and CORSA BOD members:
>
> Enclosed please find electronic version of CORSA application to form
> a new
> CORSA Special Interest Group chapter named "Stock Corvair Group".
> All
> supporting documents are also attached. Per Chapter Plan
> Guidelines, we
> would like the BOD to consider this application and give approval in
> a
> timely fashion.
>
> Please direct any questions to me.
>
> Bill Hubbell
> President-elect, Stock Corvair Group
>
>
>
>
>
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