[FC] Logo take-down rebuttal

Fri May 31 10:31:21 EDT 2024

I have replied back with what Ben composed. We'll see what comes back. 

Molly 

    On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 07:54:49 AM EDT, Ken Hand via Corvanatics <corvanatics at corvair.org> wrote:  

I have looked at the Volkswagen AG site and there is nothing there that even remotely resembles our logo. The parent company is is in Germany. If there is a second email I think we need to ask who specifically requested the takedown and the reason.

Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
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www.corvairmechanic.com

For those that have fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.

    On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 11:38:49 AM EDT, Rod Murray via Corvanatics <corvanatics at corvair.org> wrote:  

 What’s the image in question?
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2024, at 11:04 AM, Ben and Lynn Stiles via Corvanatics <corvanatics at corvair.org> wrote:
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> Hi Molly,
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> I drafted the following. Let me know what you think. It's all I could come up with based on the limited information we were given.
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> Thanks! Ben
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> Good afternoon,
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> The Board of Directors of the Corvanatics group (the oldest chapter of the Corvair Society of America; CORSA) would like more information on this take-down request. According the email we received, the take-down request was issued by a Volkswagen organization of some kind, with no connection to the Corvair marque, nor to the light duty Corvair trucks made during the early 1960s. The logo in question has been in continuous use by the Corvanatics use since the early 1970s, and, to our knowledge, has never been under any scrutiny for any reason.
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> The Corvanatics Board of Directors are formally requesting a copy of the specific take-down request issued by Volkswagen AG so that we may understand more fully the rationale behind this unfortunate circumstance.
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> We will await your response.
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> Sincerely,
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> Corvanatics BOD
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> *From:* Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles at verizon.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 8:32 PM
> *To:* Dr. Benjamin Stiles <BStiles at lancasterctc.edu>
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> Fw: Your Design Has Been Removed From TeePublic
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> Thu, 2 May 2024 15:37:59 +0000 (UTC)
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> Corvanatics <corvanatics at gmail.com> <mailto:corvanatics at gmail.com>
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> Corvanatics <corvanatics at gmail.com> <mailto:corvanatics at gmail.com>
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> Stiles Ben <lbstiles at verizon.net> <mailto:lbstiles at verizon.net>
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> Hi Ben,
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> Your first assignment as a Director since you have the writing background.
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> As you saw in my BoD online correspondence recently, we dropped CafePress as an online on demand store. I found a couple others to use, both offer different items and at different prices. On TEEPUBLIC, I had included, besides the logo, this design, which is the one they received a complaint on (see attached email). (The background is transparent, not black. I just work in dark mode and did a screen shot).
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> Attached is their email. Steve S sent me "I suggest that you just ask for a copy of the take down request.  Explain that the Corvanatics logo has been in use and widely published for 46 years." You've also been in the club for a very long time. I just don't want them to get away with this without some counter action. I'm sure it will have to come from the club email as that is what the account is registered under, so if you will just write up something, I will send it, but change my normal signature to you as a Director. Thanks.
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> */Molly Bacon/*
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> Corvanatics Secretary/Treasurer
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> *Sent:*Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 01:52:04 PM EDT
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> *Subject:*Your Design Has Been Removed From TeePublic
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> TeePublic Logo <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/5e1a442e/WxxOfng1NUeehOE1hWR7CA?u=http://links.teepublic.com/ls/click?upn=u001.sInb-2F3YQM6GjAipW0UHsanSb-2Fxd20ANJU9XIucrUrChEL0kPb8dqXFl8FTTXWxsC2BTz_mnyVpGey4cYz-2B5iKoJRAuokw69LZhj1FoTXsHRDomf5haUjYi-2BNnvIIe1FEyk6n1yMc1zSO0HqmtIDiTVXF8ECKwKMkojCKXiQIX6KAVRH7nGrD4VArsJIWUlcUwj8mLVfpeTfjPVZKYqo98EWyeCCuDvZ4jGo0kOkmW2hNDz5ARszwEmwtjmo6omZRsKUFFET0T2a-2Bu2lsCUzeg8xS585NSY3VMNrROcBl4GTbTAEzzdnxNTy8EZGJIZdRGHT1rt46u6evCRe0IsidHtK3oeqOEhNL-2BcGSxAKbbEuU-2F8-2Fz-2B6auYhGREJxPS8mIlkdzDG-2FBBi3PQ-2B0j0DjtaNICmfnxM0S8ZTwrtSpHcwJTzqnJxx2kLUTpc9nt9WOfAHb7Q>
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> *DMCA Takedown Notice *
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> Dear Corvanatics,
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> We're sorry to inform you that an intellectual property claim has been filed by *Volkswagen AG* against this design of yours on TeePublic:
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