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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I bit the bullet and turned my 66
convertible over to Dave at Auto Rust Technicians. He is going to start
by sandblasting the whole bottom side of the car and the rockers, and then he
is going to cut a small access hole in the left outer rocker to look inside to assess
the condition of the insides. Unfortunately, the right rocker already has
an access hole from the rust. Then he can give me a detailed estimate of
what it will cost to rebuild the rockers and make the car solid. I may
need to replace the right rear floor pan as well. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The good news is that I will have a good
summer project to work on with my son assuming Dave doesn’t find something
so atrocious as to make it not worth fixing. The bad news is that I won’t
have much left in the budget to do much else on the car this summer that
requires more than labor my son and I can provide.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>/John<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
bsc-list-bounces@corvair.org [mailto:bsc-list-bounces@corvair.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>David McMillan<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 04, 2009 7:40 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Bay</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>
Corvairs</st1:PersonName> (MA)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: BSCC- help with some
rust repairs</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>I had Auto Rust Technicians perform work on my Spyder, sandblasting the
whole bottom of the car, replacing the flooring and a few patches on the
fenders, and finishing up with an undercoating. I had purchased the rocker
panels from <st1:place w:st="on">Clark</st1:place>'s, but Jerry and Dave at
Auto Rust told me they weren't needed. For your job, they would charge the
hourly fee of $75. When I worked with them, I paid them each week for the work
they did. That way, I didn't have to come up with a lump sum at the end. I
wanted them to go through the whole car, so I was prepared for the final tally,
but if you want to limit them to strictly the rockers, then they would do only
that, as long as the rest of the car was structurally sound. Jerry and
Dave are very particular about what goes out the door of the shop. If
there is something that required attention, they would let you know about it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Dave<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> John Schwab <<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">johnws@warpmail.net</st1:PersonName>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Stephen Silvia
<ssdsliz@comcast.net>; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Bay State Corvairs</st1:PersonName>
(MA) <bsc-list@corvair.org>; Jason Cesana <jacesana1@cox.net><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, May 3, 2009 8:48:19
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: BSCC- help with some
rust repairs<br>
</span></font><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>
Thanks. I do like the car, and I would like to save it, but there is a<br>
limit. Lionel seemed to think it was "not bad" when I got him
to adjust my<br>
valves. After my son and I rebuilt the engine, I just couldn't get the<br>
valves adjusted right and needed Lionel's pro experience. I suppose if
they<br>
cut into it and find too big of a mess that I could just give up and use it<br>
as a parts car. I probably won't be out but a few hundred bucks at that<br>
point (plus the new outer rockers from <st1:place w:st="on">Clarks</st1:place>
if they won't take them back).<br>
I'm going to do some soul searching about this, and take a long look at the<br>
car, and then I'll probably call you to talk about it. Thanks for the<br>
offer.<br>
<br>
/John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Stephen Silvia [mailto:<a href="mailto:ssdsliz@comcast.net"
ymailto="mailto:ssdsliz@comcast.net">ssdsliz@comcast.net</a>] <br>
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 8:39 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:johnws@warpmail.net" ymailto="mailto:johnws@warpmail.net">johnws@warpmail.net</a>;
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Bay State Corvairs</st1:PersonName> (MA); Jason
Cesana<br>
Subject: Re: BSCC- help with some rust repairs<br>
<br>
Hi John-<br>
I can understand not wanting to shell out money for another car. I can
tell<br>
<br>
you that if you have holes showing in the rockers, the inside section of the<br>
<br>
rocker will be rotted as well. At the very least, you can replace the <br>
outside rockers (the cover section) and leave the inside if you clean it up <br>
and coat it with a good rust proofing paint. The biggest problem is that <br>
the Corvair convertible is built on the rockers as they are much heavier <br>
gauge than a coupe. The shop who did mine, had to bend metal on an
English<br>
<br>
wheel and make the inside door jamb section that welds inside the top of the<br>
<br>
front fender and runs to the center of the rocker panel. Even though it <br>
can not bee seen, it is there for support. He was able to do that on both
<br>
sides, however the right way is to remove the front fenders. He cut them <br>
off at the bottom and was able to section the pieces.<br>
<br>
The fenders are then welded back on. I purchased the inside rockers from <br>
the Corvair Ranch in PA. The outers were from <st1:place w:st="on">Clarks</st1:place>'
although I purchased<br>
<br>
mine from another guy who had them in storage. When I asked the body shop
<br>
just to do the outside sections, he told me there was not enough metal <br>
inside to weld them on, that is why he replaced them.<br>
<br>
If you car is good, and you like it......there is nothing wrong with saving <br>
it. My shop did me a favor, he does not work on old cars for
customers. If<br>
<br>
you want some more tips, give me a call.<br>
Steve<br>
508-676-2724<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: "John Schwab" <<a href="mailto:johnws@warpmail.net"
ymailto="mailto:johnws@warpmail.net">johnws@warpmail.net</a>><br>
To: "Jason Cesana" <<a href="mailto:jacesana1@cox.net"
ymailto="mailto:jacesana1@cox.net">jacesana1@cox.net</a>>; "'<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Bay State Corvairs</st1:PersonName> (MA)'" <br>
<<a href="mailto:bsc-list@corvair.org" ymailto="mailto:bsc-list@corvair.org">bsc-list@corvair.org</a>><br>
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 8:12 PM<br>
Subject: Re: BSCC- help with some rust repairs<br>
<br>
<br>
> Thanks for everyone's suggestions. I think calling Charlie is
something<br>
> I should do. The thing is that if I buy another Corvair from the<br>
> southwest, and have it shipped to my house in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Framingham</st1:place></st1:City>, it seems like<br>
> we are already up to a few thousand bucks . And more importantly, I<br>
> think my wife will be a little... well... unhappy with me since I don't<br>
> have a good place to keep it, and the one I have now, and the 1966 Vespa<br>
> project. I think I'll at least look into getting the rockers
replaced,<br>
> and then decide against it when I can't afford it :) I saw the club
had<br>
> a tour of the rust repair guys in RI a few weeks ago. I couldn't go<br>
> that day because of a prior commitment. Would those guys be a good<br>
> first place to look? I emailed them pictures, but he couldn't tell
me<br>
> much without seeing the car. Does anyone have experience with them
or<br>
> others in the area?<br>
><br>
> /John<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sun, 3 May 2009 15:08:22 -0400, "Jason Cesana" <<a
href="mailto:jacesana1@cox.net" ymailto="mailto:jacesana1@cox.net">jacesana1@cox.net</a>><br>
> said:<br>
>> I have seen Phoenix Charlie's Ads for rust free cars. Might be worth
the<br>
>> time to give him a ring to see if he has what you are looking for.
Really<br>
>> nice guy to chat with. His phone is 632-247-3272<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:bsc-list-bounces@corvair.org"
ymailto="mailto:bsc-list-bounces@corvair.org">bsc-list-bounces@corvair.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:bsc-list-bounces@corvair.org"
ymailto="mailto:bsc-list-bounces@corvair.org">bsc-list-bounces@corvair.org</a>]<br>
>> On<br>
>> Behalf Of John Weigel<br>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 11:55 AM<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:johnws@warpmail.net"
ymailto="mailto:johnws@warpmail.net">johnws@warpmail.net</a>; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Bay State Corvairs</st1:PersonName> (MA)<br>
>> Subject: Re: BSCC- help with some rust repairs<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> My 2 cents...<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Unless you are doing it yourself, body work probably is the most<br>
>> expensive<br>
>> thing about restoring a car. And it essentailly an initial
minimum fixed<br>
>> cost, i.e. you're going to invest at least $xxx, whether the car is a<br>
>> Yugo<br>
>> or a GTO. My approach is to buy the most solid body with the
best paint<br>
>> condition you can afford, and fix up or transfer in the mechanical
stuff.<br>
>> Considering how many good Corvairs are still in hot dry places,<br>
>> investment-wise, I don't see how it's worth it to fix major rust,
unless<br>
>> you<br>
>> have your own compelling personal reasons. Please, I'm not knocking<br>
>> anyone<br>
>> here - I'm only speaking from a purely objective, money viewpoint.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Call someone in one of the chapters in the southwest and ask them
about<br>
>> Corvairs that might be available in their area. If you talk to a
chapter<br>
>> officer, I would hope that you'll get an honest opinion. I've
bought one<br>
>> car from <st1:State w:st="on">Texas</st1:State> and one from <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">New Mexico</st1:place></st1:State> from Corsa
members. I don't know<br>
>> if<br>
>> my experience was typical, but after talking to the sellers on the
phone<br>
>> and<br>
>> getting some pictures, I felt comfortable that they were square deals<br>
>> (and<br>
>> they were). Expect cross country shipping to run ~$1K and you'll
get a<br>
>> feel<br>
>> for how much you'll have to pay.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I'd be happy to chat on the phone if you want more details.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> John Weigel<br>
>><br>
>> 508-655-2138<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
>><br>
>> From: John Schwab <mailto:<a href="mailto:johnws@warpmail.net"
ymailto="mailto:johnws@warpmail.net">johnws@warpmail.net</a>><br>
>><br>
>> To: 'Stephen Silvia' <mailto:<a href="mailto:ssdsliz@comcast.net"
ymailto="mailto:ssdsliz@comcast.net">ssdsliz@comcast.net</a>> ; 'Dave,<br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:redporsche944@comcast.net"
ymailto="mailto:redporsche944@comcast.net">redporsche944@comcast.net</a>>
Cindy, & Elliot Silvia' ; '<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Bay</st1:PlaceType>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
>> Corvairs (MA)' <mailto:<a href="mailto:bsc-list@corvair.org"
ymailto="mailto:bsc-list@corvair.org">bsc-list@corvair.org</a>><br>
>><br>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:18 PM<br>
>><br>
>> Subject: Re: BSCC- help with some rust repairs<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> $3K. Wow, I had no idea it was so expensive. The only
thing my car has<br>
>> that I care about keeping is the 140 engine that my son and I rebuilt
a<br>
>> couple years ago. I bought my current body to put the engine
in. Maybe<br>
>> getting a rust free body is cheaper than replacing the rockers and<br>
>> whatever<br>
>> other body work it needs? What I have now is a great parts car
though.<br>
>> Anybody have any experience finding a rust free body in the southwest?<br>
>> It<br>
>> would be nice if I could get one without making a trip to examine it.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> /John<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> _____<br>
>><br>
>> From: Stephen Silvia [mailto:<a href="mailto:ssdsliz@comcast.net"
ymailto="mailto:ssdsliz@comcast.net">ssdsliz@comcast.net</a>]<br>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:31 PM<br>
>> To: Dave, Cindy, & Elliot Silvia; <st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Bay</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>
Corvairs</st1:PersonName> (MA);<br>
>> <a href="mailto:johnws@warpmail.net"
ymailto="mailto:johnws@warpmail.net">johnws@warpmail.net</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: BSCC- help with some rust repairs<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hi John-<br>
>><br>
>> I would be more than happy to go over the job with you. As
Brother Dave<br>
>> says.......this is big job to have done. You are more than
welcome to<br>
>> give<br>
>> me a call at 508-676-2724 and I can discuss this in detail as I saw
the<br>
>> entire thing done and have all the pictures,<br>
>><br>
>> Steve<br>
>><br>
>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
>><br>
>> From: Dave, Cindy, <mailto:<a
href="mailto:redporsche944@comcast.net"
ymailto="mailto:redporsche944@comcast.net">redporsche944@comcast.net</a>>
& Elliot Silvia<br>
>><br>
>> To: <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Bay</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> <mailto:<a
href="mailto:bsc-list@corvair.org" ymailto="mailto:bsc-list@corvair.org">bsc-list@corvair.org</a>>
Corvairs (MA) ;<br>
>> <a href="mailto:johnws@warpmail.net"
ymailto="mailto:johnws@warpmail.net">johnws@warpmail.net</a><br>
>><br>
>> Cc: Stephen Silvia <mailto:<a href="mailto:ssdsliz@comcast.net"
ymailto="mailto:ssdsliz@comcast.net">ssdsliz@comcast.net</a>><br>
>><br>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 9:38 PM<br>
>><br>
>> Subject: Re: BSCC- help with some rust repairs<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> John -<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> My brother Steve just had his replaced. And my Dad had his
replaced two<br>
>> years ago. As you may already be aware, rocker replacement is
very<br>
>> expensive to do. It will probably run $3K to do it.
Unfortunately, the<br>
>> only<br>
>> way to find a rust free convertible body is to have it shipped here
from<br>
>> the<br>
>> southwest. You should email my brother Steve about it. He
even has<br>
>> photos<br>
>> of his car being done. I CC'd him on his email.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -Dave<br>
>><br>
>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
>><br>
>> From: John Schwab <mailto:<a href="mailto:johnws@warpmail.net"
ymailto="mailto:johnws@warpmail.net">johnws@warpmail.net</a>><br>
>><br>
>> To: '<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Bay</st1:PlaceType>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> <mailto:<a
href="mailto:bsc-list@corvair.org" ymailto="mailto:bsc-list@corvair.org">bsc-list@corvair.org</a>>
Corvairs (MA)'<br>
>><br>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:30 PM<br>
>><br>
>> Subject: BSCC- help with some rust repairs<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hi guys,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I have been looking around to see if I could fine a better body than
the<br>
>> one<br>
>> I have on my 66 convertible. I have decided mine isn't all that
bad.<br>
>> But I<br>
>> definitely need someone more skilled than I to cut out the old rockers<br>
>> and<br>
>> replace them. Does anyone have any recommendations? I live
in<br>
>> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Framingham</st1:place></st1:City>.<br>
>> Due to budget cuts, everyone at my company got downsized on Fridays
for<br>
>> the<br>
>> summer which gives my son and I time to work on the Corvair. I
would<br>
>> like<br>
>> to get the major issue fixed so we are left with the stuff we can bite<br>
>> off<br>
>> in my garage.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> /John<br>
>><br>
>> _____<br>
>><br>
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